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Wugushi/Cannoneer Stats/Viability (ET)

Hi, I’m making a new char for this event and was thinking of going Archer2 > Ranger 1 > Wugushi3 > Cannoneer 2.

I’d like to know if this is a strong (strongest) build for ET, or if it’s completely outclassed by Schwarzer post Wugu/Cannon buffs. I’d also like to know which stats I should invest in. I usually just go full dex for archer builds, but Wugu poisons can’t crit as far as I know.

If anybody has definite (researched) answers for any of my questions, it’d be really appreciated.

Thanks!

Cannon is the second sr in ET.

but you will need falconer. for extra synergy. Missing falconer means you are still missing a huge AOE every 25 seconds / multiple circling on aoe dps check with pass and various

A cannoner which lack falcon have it’s risk flaw. Unless you want to run with a link support for life. Or have some one else to compensated the lack of additional AOE / AAR

even with the Recent AAR buff to bazooka + skills it’s still not sufficient but decent enuff on it’s own.

Wugu itself after buff is strong especially on the deployment field but will lose out on aoe clearing,.

Still Wugu also have a few decent aoe + spread poison. Wugu excels more on bossing.

It doesn’t matter Wugu Scale to PA of your stats.

So full dex anyway.

missing a cirt with cannon is kinda extremely bad situation. Esp for e.g missing a cannon blast will lead you to only hitting at 90~120k instead of 200k.

Any way you still have to wait. Cannoner only received part one of the deal

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any thoughts on the preclasses of a falc1>canoon2

As I said, I do think cannoner is the 2nd aoe DPS for archers right now, still worst by a huge margin from an SR.

To give you an idea how much SR is good with meltis, at R8 I was able to clean the whole ET with a manamana +7 (yes, +7) and 75 retreat shot enhance.

This is absurd considering that suboptimal set up have still problem with practo weaps at floor 12, and if u have a fixed grp, I strongly advice against anything that is not your standard (retarded) meltis set up with 1 guy running in retreat shoot forever and the 3 DPS having infinite glassmole /chapparition.

Still, since I chosed to quit my SR couz I’m sick of it, I will try cannoner.

That said, I don’t know if falconer is needed, at least in our set up pass is always given to meltis (and if doppel will ever work again, cyclone), since buff 100% uptime are much better then anything else, and I do prefear linear damave over spikes vs waves (reason since mergen sucks, basically).

The 3 builds I have in mind

A2-> must have
Ranger 1-> there is simply nothing else, even if steady aim will be hard to keep up even with meltis ( the nono with ranger is the 1st huge slop of the build)
Wugu2
Wugu3/falco/rogue -> wugu 3 100% uptitime, rogue for feint combo + capture, falconer for cyclone
Canno 2

On stats:

How much con to put depends on gear (specially headslots), but for dexterity your sweet spot is always around 770/780 crit rate with swift step (to achieve 100% crit rate vs 150 crit rate resist mobs with quicken, is basically 100% crit rate vs whole game) and then str.

Since you are more str hungry then usuall and cannoner double only your basic AAR ratio, I think that stacking crit rate items over anything else is the way to go.

Gloves: Red veris gloves (23 crit rate) or Eaglestar eagle Gloves (19crit rate)
Main hand: silver hawk+++ (28 crit rate)
Rings: 2x sissels (74 crit rate)
Amulet: max peta (14 crit rate)

And if you are into endgame already, lolo leather top// bottom (46crit rate) and emengard cannon (12 crit rate) if you can craft it.

Considering I will prob use eaglestar gloves (no really reason, red veris gloves are still better, but just in case they will ever rework accuracy in PvE), this is a total of

19+28+74+14+46+12= 193 crit rate

780/1.25(swift step)= 624 crit rate naked -193 crit rate from items = 431 crit rate needed from dex.

90 free points to allocate

31 con/59str/431crit rate (pre items)

With following gear:

Windrunner
Lolo chest // bottom
Eaglestar eagle gloves
2x Sissel
Max peta
Silver hawk
Emengard cannon

I had to do the math no matter what, your question just gived me the motivation to do it :stuck_out_tongue:

On a side note, if u don’t run with meltis, you can consider elleganos stacking for +80 free crit rate over glassmole, in that case the math change.

Anyway, to easily calculate your needed crit rate

780/1.25(swist step)-crit rate from items= Crit rate needed from your dex

Once you are used to this math the calculation is simple and you will never screw up your archer crit rate! :wink:

Ar3 R2 Falc1 Cann2 not good?

if you are aiming for full solmiki plate just go full dex.

Sol miki have a -140 crit rate as there are no sisel but you trade in for absolute defenses.

So you can basically run solmiki with 8 glassmole / mix or even nuaeles as a suggestion. I seen what bazooka can do on 36 f from ktos so… the moment you see it you will realize a 3m burst every 5 second isn’t a joke esp with supports

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Theres sapper , theres the standard a2 > r1 > x

theres QS which if you like auto attack during afk times and defensive setup.

which is extremely little the synergy is abit meh tbh.

A3 > R2 is kinda meh other then longer swift steps, so far i prefer the wugus and sappers over them any way.

Ayooo you still got the link for that 36f vid? Just wanna check how he plays.

would need to find it again though :joy: can’t remember the extact kr title.

Thank you, this is really helpful. Before I end up Lvling any further before, do you have any info on Archer 2 > Sapper 3 > Falconer 1 > Cannoneer 2? I’ve read somewhere that Sapper is strong w/ Miko (Broom Trap is considered melee I believe, which Miko can buff), which is what my buddy is playing (Krivis + Miko).

Do you know what I’d be gaining/losing from this path? I’ve never tried Wugu or Sapper before so I don’t really know the damage out put from either. But from what I’ve seen from others, the only thing interesting from Sapper is Broom Trap.

I feel like Sapper path will lose me a ton of single target, I don’t know how much the aoe increase will be, but apart from being able to hit many mobs and gaining dmg from that, I feel like that Sapper dmg will be a low increase if an increase at all against a few mobs such as 5.

These are just assumptions based off me reading skills. Like I said, I’ve never touched either class, so I can’t really say.

Pretty much, for me atm the 3 stage of BiS for archers:

Stage 1: 4/4 cloth. this is a must have when u don’t have windrunner since given how it’s harder to stack mdef over anything else, cloth is the best set if wouldn’t be for better stand alone items that are most commonly found in leather (2 lolo peaces, windrunner with 3 sockets, gloves with Crit rate or vubbe gloves)

Stage 2: 4/4 leather. U will achieve this when u will have windrunner, top// bottm leather lolo, crit rate gloves. U basically switch into the worst armor of the game since the items bonus are much, much better.

Stage 3: 7 peaces of miki plate

Miki set, to me, is not so good unless u have the whole set and, anyway, the leather set is horrible (IMO).

You will, most probably then not, have to reroll stats at some point, or u can choice to go with straight full dex if u think your fixed grp will have the power to go throw the whole miki. You can also aim to lolo plate, since the chest has INSANE stats (47magic def and 167 phis def or smthing like that) and forgive stage 2 completely, even if I would suggest it only if u truly want to commit to whole miki.

Atm I do think that aiming for a good leather set with et finished is kinda safe, but it’s up to you.

No matter what, take your time to craft a good off cloth set, if u want to have solo r8 content with an archer, but keep in mind that is just so bad atm overhall for archers.

Cannoner to me have still all the trouble of an archer:

a) it’s really hard to choice a stat configuration and stick with it, since if u do change gear you will feel a little “meh” everytime u will see your crit rate moving in sub optimal direction

b) the magic def is a huge slop, u don’t want to give too many slots into nuale (if u want to 5man u just want glassmole stacking, basically) but it’s impossible to truly have good magic def pre jewel trascendence. This will gives you a lot of trouble grinding map in r8 till the incoming nerf to magic mobs, so it’s not a good 1st char // grinding char, aside for solo daily 290.

c) cannoner split heavily the DPS from main and off hand, and on top of that purple practo canno is pretty bad. It’s like to min/max a canno you will need 3 practo and splitted trascendence on main and off hand, which is a huge pain in the ass compared to most builds. Specially vs SR wich is good to go with isbality+double stack (or even manamana for et clear if your krivis buddy is viable :stuck_out_tongue: )

Just to remind you that, even if the buffs looks promising, this is still the worst r8 class by a pretty good margin. To have a good archer you will have to invest a LOT into everything.

Talking about sapper, I don’t have a good insigh about sapper 3, but isn’t the broom enhance of sapper 3 only base skill dmg improvement? If it’s still the case I see sapper 2 as good to go, but I’m really low on sapper theorycraft.

sr is true aoe dps archer

cannon aren’t

cannon have good damage but doesn’t have godlike aoe as sr

you prolly haven seen anything yet. true aoe archer depending on meltis bot for aoe isnt true aoe anyway rofl

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nothing is worse than muskeeter and hakka with a route that will die if r9 is rubbish

you dont really need glassmole by the time you cap damage buff with just trans 10 bazooka damage. atm with trans 4 eme pople are already capping blast and hitting nearly 120k shot with it.

stats are always spec into armor compensation anyway getting full dex is fine. mdef isnt relevant if you are just gonna have meltis combo every where. which is technically true in ET. in the end you will need high dex block pen is not relevant anyway unless you pvp. having too much dex is not optimal but it save you the time to respec when things changes.

cannon doesnt split that much unless you are into glass mole which sr is the same case. or aiming to hit 70 k plus 199k on broom trap with miko. basically gimping your basic circles

also investment is pretty much every dem dps issues. As long as you are a dps or pesudo dps that need to work you gotta heavy invest . just that archer need double for weapons dats about it. Any dps class to attaim what we call end game atm requires at least to burn 1billion silver just for it to hit max optimal dmg

@inyux3
all traps are meele dmg with piece or strike

That’s pretty much the problem with DPS, gearing char // allocating stats // selecting cards is pretty dependent from what you will aim for and how much invested you are.

If we are talking about a full end game char, basically anything become useless aside dex till they rase dmg cap (tinkering about PvE, where atm stuff like accuracy is useless and block pen garbage)

Same goes for your defense, when I play 5man I pretend to be sitted couz I have to do as much dmg as possible, and if I’m dead it’s usually couz some1 screwed up, like a pass on meltis or ausrine bugged out ( on a side note I do think in et/miki getting IMCed by a bug is by far the most common way to die, no matter what).

BUT, since I played archer a lot, I still like to give suggestion for middle stages (like, srly, go CLOTH if you want to solo with your archer or play it as an alt) and for low geared // newbies, couz most people have no confidence with crit rate formula or they have yet to find out how miserable is to solo magic mob at r8 with lower then 2k mdef.

If u are already aiming for a trans 10 weap on an archer, I don’t think you are following this forum if not FF and, at the same time, I think you are nerd enough to invest into a stat reset potion when u are done with solmiki :stuck_out_tongue:

ps: maybe I’m not good enough at grinding or I burn out too easily, but for me having to trascende 2 weapons is still a major drawback xD

Precisely, because there is no stats diversity and the stats system is still broken Lulz.

Correct Dead DPS is no DPS. Defense is actually a safe security incase shiet happens.

I ran through my musket/SR with 800/1.2k mdef for both respectively. so… it just depends if you are into SM anot. General Maps isn’t that bad. Rule of thumb regardless you must have more than 2.2k pdef. For general purpose as this will save you from all Physical damage.

Which is why i suggested High dex in the frist place. If all else fail your cannoner/SR is actually Scout V2.

Investing it isn’t that bad for the point of time. It’s the same case of Elememe Investment.

I don’t regret getting FC @ 100 , DT @ 100 and the rest at 70 with a +15 sup corona trans 4.
This toon enable to get a free pass in ET 1-20. Also at the same time this toon generate shards and what not + silver enough to already Cover the cost for this. Dulla WB WARS etc. $$$$$$$

How much is this cost? Nearly about 200m with 8 chap and standard gear.

How much do i get back?

A full 3x set of ET + tons of shard nearly over 400, 1 Prac ore which i used it for other purpose on my other main toon.

nearly more than 120m Silvers back and Dungeon rushing. The cards are also resellable and re-equipable into other toons.

So does it match the investment? If yes ok. If no that means you are doing something wrong or just investment because you enjoy it.

It’s just a matter of perspective and objective.

Regardless Archer being useless or not. They are the best dungeon farmers in worse case. So simple to say. They will generate more revenue in most cases selling solmiki set etc etc etc.

But as you say if you get burn out it’s well prolly not your cup of tea.

it’s just 35m. 35m these day is nothing. lulz. It’s not about nerd or not. It’s about in the end what are you aiming to get.
TOS is a buggy and frustrating game.
Sure you can pick another game to play with friends but often it hard to find one , once you settle down for a while.

If you have friends to go along and objective to hit it gets fun. OR else you will just end up being wasted.