But im having so much fun. And if this thread gets closed its not a big deal there are 100 of them.
Nothing goes over your head! Your to fast you would catch it!
TLDR it was a joke
that is if tree of savior becomes buy to play or subscription based (not talking about token as a subscription)
That token is basically the definition of a subscription, would you consider this game worth playing without the token? I wouldn’t.
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what’s the cons for f2p with TP to silver? isn’t it like RMT for in-game currency just that its offered by the game itself? also they could do it like warframe wherein it’s better to grind rather than pay for the cash shop item (dunno never played warframe, heard it from totalbiscuit’s video talking about the term pay2win and how lazy it is)
can’t agree with that as you have the option to grind silver and buy the token for silver.
IF TOO LONG FOR YOUR BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR NOT FORCED AND LIMITED TO PAY REAL MONEY FOR TOKEN AND ITS PREMIUM BENEFITS.
if this was to long to understand
Why would i understand a longer statement?
Yes you can buy a token for silver but where does that token come from? It doesn’t magically appear on the market. Someone pays tp for it aka your subscription is still payed.
they didn’t pay to subscribe since they didn’t use the token and get the premium benefits. maybe they selling it for silver? same and safer if not better than buying from those bots albeit may cost more.
That doesn’t change anything though that still means if a player buys a token with silver their subscription was still payed for with real $$$ from someone.
not necessarily as the one who wants premium benefits subscribed and paid with silver.
in the case wherein token->silver, token is seen as paying for silver.
for free to play that could be a bit pay to win actually
you pay TP to buy silver in-game to buy high end gears. people who really want to min-max their character and have the money for it will do it instantly and even buy it for 20% overprice just to get it.
well thats my perspective for it. i could be wrong and you could be right but thats opinion
1; yep. that’s how it works. it comes up with what seems reasonable, based on a history of previous listings.
2; that would imply that the system has some way to tell what’s fraudulent or not. (it would have to be manually edited every time a sale is caught. ain’t nobody got time for that.)
3; see #2. regardless of whether they’re caught, it’s a huge amount of extra work to remove individual transactions from the transaction history algorithm. (sure, a single transaction might seem easy… but multiply that by how many transactions every day and the work turns into basically a full time career.)
except it isn’t, unless they readded it very recently. not that it’s terribly relevant.
i think you’re simply underestimating how much stupid there is out there.
Regarding 2) Well isn’t it fairly plausible that if they’ve coded a market transaction reversion function (that the GMs would use), that the very same function would be able to remove said transaction from consideration by the market cap system? At the very least I certainly hope they aren’t letting the GMs just go into the server database and manually add or remove entries, that’s an epic disaster just waiting to happen.
The fact that they can revert market transactions tells me that most of the “hard work” has already been done…
If 1) were true? What prevents someone from listing an item at a very high price or very low price waiting for 30 minutes and then withdrawing the item and then repeating the process? I would hope they implemented 1) such that the market cap calculation only updates when an item is successfully sold.
So I guess I should’ve been more explicit but I think 1) is unlikely, 2) is somewhat likely, and that 3) is probably most likely. But maybe my rationale isn’t convincing enough…
The thing that is more interesting though: Nothing is stopping the goldsellers to use a couple of TP on enchant scrolls and then start funneling from farmer to seller via hats. They already have ridiculous prices.
Now if a buyer wanted silver all he needs to do is sell a hat at a specific price, which the gold-seller could give him beforehand. Good Luck IMC to find pricepoints for lots of combinations for hats and mark them as fraud.
While your idea is solid you are fighting something you cannot win simply because you cannot sell currency for RM since you become P2W. So the buyers have no other option. Surrender most gamers are used to play within an inflated economy anyway. For beginners it means they have to wait till their first good drop to participate on the market.
The token would provide a means for players to obtain legit silver. But if the token is used to get around the trading issue, gold buyers would just buy tokens to improve their business.
A premium currency would be better. Players with no excess cash to spend might want cash shop items they can’t afford, but would be willing to pay silver to obtain such items. Players that want to buy silver would buy this currency and sell it on the market board, without restriction. The price would fluctuate depending on the demand, but once the premium currency is bought off the market, it converts to TP.
1; well listing or selling, it doesn’t make that much difference. one spammer lists it, another waits for it to appear and buys it, then lists it again even higher. keep it up til target price is reached.
2; even if they’ve coded a tool to remove specific transactions, someone has to go and enter all the transactions to remove into it. as for the tool, or manual editing, it’s not really that much different. besides, since we don’t know how the market database is setup, and we don’t know how this “reversion” works, speculating about it doesn’t do us much good.
3; if they weren’t being caught, they’d be getting exponentially worse. it’s the same as real life crime; catching one doesn’t mean there aren’t a dozen more out there.
edit apparently starting lines with a # makes your text really huge… that’s a bit silly.
im level 120 and there are gold bots in my areas already its rediculous, disable ■■■■■■■ c1 p3
I bought some air brush parts about 2 weeks ago with paypal on amazon.
So maybe it depends on the seller?
or a difference between .ca/.com
or it was recently removed/ re added?
could be a number of things.
Lets not forget about the gold sellers hacked characters. I seen a lv 177 pardoner with 0 adventure log score, and is unranked in the listing, the only way this is even possible is if they made a new acct then hacked to make a lv 177 pardoner which then they teleported right smack into town, then opened a shop selling buffs. Nevermind the fact the name was a dead giveaway. Here have a look this was on Orsha server and this guy was here for days, might even still be there now actually I haven’t logged in this morning to check:
https://gyazo.com/4df42d631e1ec003d3633b53113a64e5
Black box is there to hide my stupid thing I named my pet, wish I could change it lol
that’s… gotta be a loading glitch or something.
you get adventure log score just for entering the towns. or maybe it only updates if you talk to the Wings npc ?
i mean, agree 100%, that name is shady as hell. and no other gear besides costume?
you should probably submit a ticket, and report that bot, including the image.
while you’re at it, report yourself for having an offensive pet name 
I somehow believe that several game breaking bug in icbt2 still remains here. I don’t dare to try though, as this is not beta anymore.
many of the old bugs / exploits are still active. Im not sure if they are the ones you are thinking of, but many are still here.
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