for free to play that could be a bit pay to win actually
you pay TP to buy silver in-game to buy high end gears. people who really want to min-max their character and have the money for it will do it instantly and even buy it for 20% overprice just to get it.
well thats my perspective for it. i could be wrong and you could be right but thats opinion
1; yep. thatâs how it works. it comes up with what seems reasonable, based on a history of previous listings.
2; that would imply that the system has some way to tell whatâs fraudulent or not. (it would have to be manually edited every time a sale is caught. ainât nobody got time for that.)
3; see #2. regardless of whether theyâre caught, itâs a huge amount of extra work to remove individual transactions from the transaction history algorithm. (sure, a single transaction might seem easy⌠but multiply that by how many transactions every day and the work turns into basically a full time career.)
except it isnât, unless they readded it very recently. not that itâs terribly relevant.
i think youâre simply underestimating how much stupid there is out there.
Regarding 2) Well isnât it fairly plausible that if theyâve coded a market transaction reversion function (that the GMs would use), that the very same function would be able to remove said transaction from consideration by the market cap system? At the very least I certainly hope they arenât letting the GMs just go into the server database and manually add or remove entries, thatâs an epic disaster just waiting to happen.
The fact that they can revert market transactions tells me that most of the âhard workâ has already been doneâŚ
If 1) were true? What prevents someone from listing an item at a very high price or very low price waiting for 30 minutes and then withdrawing the item and then repeating the process? I would hope they implemented 1) such that the market cap calculation only updates when an item is successfully sold.
So I guess I shouldâve been more explicit but I think 1) is unlikely, 2) is somewhat likely, and that 3) is probably most likely. But maybe my rationale isnât convincing enoughâŚ
The thing that is more interesting though: Nothing is stopping the goldsellers to use a couple of TP on enchant scrolls and then start funneling from farmer to seller via hats. They already have ridiculous prices.
Now if a buyer wanted silver all he needs to do is sell a hat at a specific price, which the gold-seller could give him beforehand. Good Luck IMC to find pricepoints for lots of combinations for hats and mark them as fraud.
While your idea is solid you are fighting something you cannot win simply because you cannot sell currency for RM since you become P2W. So the buyers have no other option. Surrender most gamers are used to play within an inflated economy anyway. For beginners it means they have to wait till their first good drop to participate on the market.
The token would provide a means for players to obtain legit silver. But if the token is used to get around the trading issue, gold buyers would just buy tokens to improve their business.
A premium currency would be better. Players with no excess cash to spend might want cash shop items they canât afford, but would be willing to pay silver to obtain such items. Players that want to buy silver would buy this currency and sell it on the market board, without restriction. The price would fluctuate depending on the demand, but once the premium currency is bought off the market, it converts to TP.
1; well listing or selling, it doesnât make that much difference. one spammer lists it, another waits for it to appear and buys it, then lists it again even higher. keep it up til target price is reached.
2; even if theyâve coded a tool to remove specific transactions, someone has to go and enter all the transactions to remove into it. as for the tool, or manual editing, itâs not really that much different. besides, since we donât know how the market database is setup, and we donât know how this âreversionâ works, speculating about it doesnât do us much good.
3; if they werenât being caught, theyâd be getting exponentially worse. itâs the same as real life crime; catching one doesnât mean there arenât a dozen more out there.
edit apparently starting lines with a # makes your text really huge⌠thatâs a bit silly.
im level 120 and there are gold bots in my areas already its rediculous, disable â â â â â â â c1 p3
I bought some air brush parts about 2 weeks ago with paypal on amazon.
So maybe it depends on the seller?
or a difference between .ca/.com
or it was recently removed/ re added?
could be a number of things.
Lets not forget about the gold sellers hacked characters. I seen a lv 177 pardoner with 0 adventure log score, and is unranked in the listing, the only way this is even possible is if they made a new acct then hacked to make a lv 177 pardoner which then they teleported right smack into town, then opened a shop selling buffs. Nevermind the fact the name was a dead giveaway. Here have a look this was on Orsha server and this guy was here for days, might even still be there now actually I havenât logged in this morning to check:
https://gyazo.com/4df42d631e1ec003d3633b53113a64e5
Black box is there to hide my stupid thing I named my pet, wish I could change it lol
thatâs⌠gotta be a loading glitch or something.
you get adventure log score just for entering the towns. or maybe it only updates if you talk to the Wings npc ?
i mean, agree 100%, that name is shady as hell. and no other gear besides costume?
you should probably submit a ticket, and report that bot, including the image.
while youâre at it, report yourself for having an offensive pet name 
I somehow believe that several game breaking bug in icbt2 still remains here. I donât dare to try though, as this is not beta anymore.
many of the old bugs / exploits are still active. Im not sure if they are the ones you are thinking of, but many are still here.
Look at the bright side, some is fixed because a new bug that completely broke the old bug.
I always thought it was funny how people usually assume itâs all bots or the Chinese farmers making the currency for the sites. Itâs often Times the normal player base too.
I forgot which other mmos I did it on, but I know when I played wow during vanilla/bc and in La Tale Online, I sold my gold to gold selling sites. Had my own apartment in high school from it and supported my way into college.
THIS.
people on here are fâin retarded. it isnât little chinese people selling gold like theyâre imagining it to be. it is our own âreal player base.â anyone in the 250lvl range in a guild is currently monopolizing any world boss spawn that they can. easily they make 3m to 6m per world boss per person.
and theyâre not selling SILVER most of the time â theyâre selling you an item by trading it to you. you pay the equivalent that it would cost if you bought silver with your real money. they control the price of that item by monopolizing world bosses. because currently, the boss only gives loot to the group that deals the most damage. you are out of luck if you sat there for five minutes trying to solo a world boss then a group of 250s swoops in.
not only do they rake in the money through this method, but once you get 250+ leveling with your group/guild becomes very easy compared to the 1-200 grind and you make about 3m every hour.
so our higher level player base currently can make about 66 dollars every hour to 1.5 hours if theyâre smart enough and know how to manipulate, monopolize, and profit off of this games current state.
iâve been digging into as many websites as possible to explain how the heck someone has a legendary in every slot and has gear worth 700-1k real dollars. but this isnât rocket science.
even if some scumbag paid 700 dollars for their gear, theyâre going to join a guild and make it back by either selling their silver to a gold buying website or selling the recipes/items to someone directly through one of the player ran gold selling websites.
i also WATCHED twitch streams to witness how QUICKLY high levels are making silver. it is INSANE. theyâre making so much real money off of this game that they donât need a real job. just sit on this game all day and you can make 50-60 dollars an hour on average depending on how well your groups do and how active you are in game (meaning donât sit around in town forever.)
but also, if people would stop buying their gear with real money then these players would be far less inclined to control our market.
Um so I have a friend who has more money that sense, and this friend would love to know some of these players that are selling in game goods for RL money. My friend that is. Ahem.
Serious note:
IMC still super paranoid about RMT in their game. Water wet. And sky blue.
iâd call it more like âreasonably paranoid about RMT.â
RMT can have a lot of negative effects on the in-game economy⌠as if we arenât all aware of this already.
and theyâre doing what they can to find effective measures to counter it.
however, actually -finding- what measures will work for -this- game (same as any other) requires a certain amount of trial and error.
continuing news: desert dry. fire hotâŚ
Iâm not sure how RMT works and whatnot, and Iâm new to this game. I read the post up to a point where someone buying silver would post something to sell, and the gold seller would buy it for a really high price. I imagine they would be selling something worth nothing really. So could IMC not see this increase all of a sudden? And punish the buyer? I donât think it would be too hard to see unusual activity on the market.
so this guy that created this post joined the forum 4/7 and posted only 1 post on 4/8âŚsuspicious eh?
well, 2 posts, in this thread.
interesting point tho⌠but i wonder if it worked for them? a lot of people called BS on him in the thread.
i think most people basically ignored OP, and just started discussing more ways to fight botters.