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Will dragoon replace the tradisional pure tank after rank 8 given 100%melee damage debuff?

**Concentrate buff does apply for each line fo damage, sorry for the misinformation

It’s kind of irrelevant since barbarian is so grossly inferior anyway.
I’m trying to find a large mob that doesn’t fall over dead so fast to try galin trident and gae bulg with.

Wait…blessing adds to each line of seism?

Idk about that one

using the same mob and whatever from before:

After blessing:

10,888-10768 = 120

The word blessing pops up 3 times, but it doesn’t actually apply 3 times it seems

and just to confirm the value:

Gae bulg and Galin trident aren’t working with seism, either. (all the other skills I have work fine)
This makes seism even worse in practice than it is on paper, which is quite the achievement.

Didn’t know that Seism was a fake multi-hit skill.
… and i didn’t read all posts before responding, my mistake.

Well, here’s some information anyway

That means Seism is a fake multi-hit ability.

There are “True” multi-hits and “fake” multi-hits.

For more info on Multiple Hits skills, refer to this link:

Basically, even though somes skills may have multiple lines of damage, it’s actually only 1 total damage and Blessing/Concentrate only applies once throught the damage calculation of that skill.

True Multi-Hit skills proc Concentrate/Blessing for every hit, instead of the damage being calculated in total each line of damage will proc the bonus damage from Concentrate/Blessing, making the total contribution from these buffs a lot more noticeable.

I’m aware of the difference between fake and true multi hit skills, you just (coincidentally, seems to have not been your intention) implied that blessing worked for fake multi hit skills and concentrate didn’t given the context of the previous discussion

It changes nothing fundamentally. It makes barbarian even worse, but nobody should be taking more than 1 circle of barbarian under any circumstances anyway since the damage is absolutely terrible. In a lot of cases like fencer it’s not even worth getting C1 for slash debuff.

well, even for fencer it is worth to take at least one rank for slashdebuff, unless you are going a full shield fencer build and with the current rank8 preview shield fencer is dumb.
but in any other build even the one with highlander2 barb1 would give more damage than highlander3 without barb, because all of their skill is slash minus cartar stroke , and if you add tool tip damage + armor break “extra” damage would still not surpass the add a 50% pure damage later on lvl250+ .
now i’m not a highlander but since bleeding damage is 80% of the skill damage ( someone said on the highlander topic) , we can assume that the slash debuff will also give a 50% extra damage on the bleeding as well.
the only case that slash debuff may not be useful is with spear path classes and even for them they still have some slash skills that could be useful because there is only need for 1 rank in barb.
for example: a basic hop-dragon build, could replace hop3 for barb because spear throw fail alot later on without geras, and he would have petal1 hop2barb1 doppel-dragoon, the barb debuff would boost cyclone and dragon soar.

but since bleeding damage is 80% of the skill damage ( someone said on the highlander topic) , we can assume that the slash debuff will also give a 50% extra damage on the bleeding as well.

Bleeding damage is based solely on the character’s Physical attack, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for the slash debuff to affect the bleeding damage. Another thing, Crosscut’s bleeding ticks each second which isn’t all that great(basically 10 bleeding ticks per skill) and since Fencers usually go for High DEX builds, the bleeding doesn’t do a whole lot.

even with that (that like i said i only read on the highlander topic) , my point still stand, the 50% slash debuff would give a lot more damage for the highlander build on later stages on the game. than if you choose to go hinghlander3, so high2barb1 would still be better.

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