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Why put ridiculous restriction when you can improve security?

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#1

REQUIRE server info for each action, and make the server responses slower
-----Code a detection for bots. SUSPICIOUS PATTERNS GOING SAME X AND Y repeatedly

INCLUDE random very simple bot checks
-----like Implement some captcha for verification (EDIT: just idea of what that BOLD TEXT meant)
-----If failed from captcha the server will notify you and they will be put to prison and to leave the prison they have to do some just easy quest BUT a quest that REQUIRES “moves and actions require thoughts”

like a simple addition quest that talks to npc and point and click that requires thoughts choices.

PUT some interface to Make the moves and actions require thought
------this.

I know we cant stop BOTS. But you can make their lifes miserable, as they have to spend lots of time writing their bots, and updating them. You have to use whatever you have to VERIFY IF THE USER IS VALID.

So we will not be hurt by SOME of your ridiculous restrictions.

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#2

I vote yes for restrictions. Go play and get the itens for yours efforts

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#4

I am talking about RIDICULOUS ones not some below level 40 player can’t shout

I am talking about the TAXES and ETC restrictions that makes no sense.

#5

Relax guys. I have played some IMC games, they are veteran at this, they know what they’re doing.

#6

Why do people believe that captchas stop bots? They don’t. Bots have been able to solve them for at least a decade.

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#7

Really?
Well, Im sorry i’ve never played one of their games so I don’t know the company…

But the support service is good

#8

if you put in something that alerts the server that they are grinding at that spot, then just hire some foreign dude (low wage) to check those grinding for suspicious activity, give them no real power other than stealth and teleportation

THEN when you do find a bot, you ban his credit card and IP FOREVER

#9

It’s just for verification so the GM has based that this guy failed some captcha.

like for somone reported him botting and the GM will check the guy if it has failed captcha test then the GM has the reason to investigate the guy.

also I edited my post about captcha added some things

#10

Yes, hmm in Granado Espada they have a bot prison which when u failed to answer the bot report capcha you’ll get to prison and clean some rats, this rats are so small and hard to clik, then the number of rats to clean will accumulate until it’s too much and impossible to do lol. They even shut down one bot company i think they threaten to sue the bot company. after sometime they have ban a lot of “individual” bot/ normal players who used modified programs. Hmmm you’ll gonna hate their bot report, when capcha pops then you screen freeze and crashed, next time you log in you are in prison. I hope when they improve TOS bot report feature its not like that.

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#11

  • Not even one MMORPG handles all actions server side. There’s bandwidth limits and unavoidable delay in packet movement. Not possible to validate everything in real time or even with very low latency.

  • It’s very easy to add random offsets to bot movement and make them even do random actions. Good bot’s patterns cannot be predicted.

  • Every player hates captchas and they do not work against bots nowadays. They are easy to solve and even easier to outsource.

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#12

Programming code doesn’t suddenly appear with a single finger snap.

Their approach is somewhat lazy but it will delay the DLC fraud to affect the servers, so it’s good for now.

#13

But will they remove the restrictions if they do come up with a code to do whatever they need to counter the frauds? That is the question.

If they do remove it, I am cool. If not, oy vey…

#14

Only time may answer your question.

Certainly this is not the only thing they should care.

#15

And may I add out of topic, some of thier mobs are direct copy from granado espada, and this lodge thing from granado espada which is baracks/family. Also the lodge level or family level in granado espada lol. its like Hakkyu Kim just recycle the codes. In TOS u can create uniq char by different combination/path, in granado espada u can recruit bazzillion of different NPC lol. So just relax a bit these guys are veterans so as the game progress im sure they will fight the bots head on.

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#16

-Then lets make the captcha rewarding they get rewards when they do captcha codes…

-Yes, we cant stop bots… But you can make their lifes miserable…

Here is my point
ToS improves bot detect > Bot improves > ToS improves > Bot improves > ToS Improves bot detection > Bot Improves <----But does this mean all of them??

What bot programmers don’t have is PLAYERS
ToS has many supporters they have income on players to code for them unlike the BOT company they dont have… they rely on Bots to make money.

So if we prevent them making money then they stop improving.

Also as all BOT companies are not that good to code.

It’s better to have a well coded bot in ToS than a bunch of lame a** botters making the server lag

So I say it’s better that ToS has 1 undetectable botter than 100 botters running around at the same spot

#17

They’d just get rewards from captchas 24/7 unlike normal players who can’t play around they clock and the captchas would still be around to annoy everyone. I’d say no for captchas.

But you are right, they should continue the fights againts bots as long as it doesn’t annoy normal players.

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#18

Captcha is a terrible idea and they’d get rewards for doing them. And solutions are already coming forth.

Go and follow Angras advice, it’s very fitting.
“Living forevermore, leaving today
Back to my place, I’ve got
Nothing to say!”

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#19

Yeah guys lets just hope that this will be fixed soon when F2P comes… that means more bugs to encounter… and their problems will get piled up.

I just hope their restrictions unnecessary restrictions are temporary until they solve the problem

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#20

but it’s not even his credit card.
also, what’s that going to affect after the game becomes f2p ?

you didn’t even read what he said.
bots can SOLVE captcha SUCCESSFULLY… faster than a human (because they don’t have any delay typing it in… unless they need to, and get programmed to take a certain amount of time).

everyone needs to stop suggesting captchas. i’d rather keep all the current restrictions, or even make them worse, than have to deal with captchas all the time.
and… anything i can do that prevents me from being identified as a bot, the bots can be programmed to do as well.

wait what? bots don’t care if it’s a single pixel to click. the computer has to make it identifiable somehow to the client, and the bot can just target that exactly.

hell it’s not even THAT complicated.
if people stop buying from them, they’ll quit all on their own.

but… if they can make an “undetectable” high-quality bot… why would they only have one of them?
they’d just copy/paste it to all of their computers, and run hundreds of excellent bots, instead of hundreds of crappy bots.

so then, the player makes an error, and gets kicked out…
but the bot, who is mechanical, only makes the errors it is programmed to, and thus earns endless amounts of these rewards.

yes, this is a brilliant plan.

#22

What you said is invalid and negative reactions… lol, why you questioning us?

I am not the one who will code for them and implement this…

This is just my suggestion on how to get things started on which path the IMC should go.

And still my idea is valid 1 BOTTER COMPANY is better than 100 BOTTER COMPANY.

Big text so you will understand suggestions
You don’t need to quote and state for a flaw you can just simply reply with “There are flaws on this here is my idea” and we will work what’s wrong with my suggestion and upgrade my suggestion.

You don’t need to be negative and say this idea is very bad but instead just improve the idea of others.