Tree of Savior Forum

Why is everyone who plays this game so old?

General Discussion
#103

There are studies devoted into talking about “millennials attention span”, if you would like to know more, google scholar has quite a number of these journals.

Anyway what you described is peer pressure. If your peers like to do X, chances of you getting into X is high just to “fit into their circle”. Teens today are faced with many more options than teens in the 80s-90s, which is why games which are marketed more get more traction than other games which invest lesser in marketing. More exposure = more people learning about it = more likely players = more influences from peers.

In the 80s-90s, the only marketing channels we have are from radio, paper publications and TV. Reach is limited and therefore there are lesser options for us. Now… with social channels in the WWW, video streaming mediums such as twitch, youtube, many more games are exposed to the people and therefore more variety for players to choose from.

#104

The reasoning for this gigantic age gap is that Tree of Savior is a singleplayer RPG and teenagers these days have found out that they can play by themselves in other ways, so for multiplayer they flock to games with actual functional multiplayer instead of a week of bad quests and then a small amount of multiplayer.

#105

Well…that was…TMI :sweat:. I don’t see why people like to talk about sex so much.

Just reading everything makes me feel still young, probably because everybody else is in their late 20’s-30’s.

#107

It makes people feel cool and like an adult to use how much sex they’ve had an example of how awesome they are as a person.

Example:

“Man I used to bang girls all day and I still played D&D every weekend”

Suddenly I am an adult and I am now awesome, cool and hip.

Contrary to that, calling someone a virgin is the same as saying they are uncool, ugly and stupid.

Whenever a man talks about how much sex they’ve had, I quietly laugh and pass it off as ego-boosting. :stuck_out_tongue:

#108

ive had sex over 3000x… with the same women over the course of 17 years. ive only had 1 pussy in my life… never a second… am i cool or am i not?? when we first got together it was 3-4x a day… slowly as the years passed it was once a day to every other day, then down to 2x a week, and now its on schedule… is wed cool with you? how about thursday before you head into work? you on your period? ill wait till next week… you still spotting… ok lets do it tomorrow… how cool am i?

#109

Sorry, it’s not cool. You haven’t done it with hundreds of different women and then posted about your sexcapdes on a random forum in a random discussion using it as an example to how awesome you are.

Edit - Though trolling aside I really think that’s awesome and I’m happy for you that found the one and it’s been going well for so long.

#110

is asexual and ambiguously androgynous

I won’t even get into the discussion on why females like to brag that they’re virgins while males like to brag they’re non-virgins. It’s just too confusing.

takes the sick bucket and passes it on just in case

@brandoncotten TMI, brand, TMI. But at least you can proudly claim you’ve been eternally faithful to one woman. If I were into men, that would be what I’m looking for.

#111

Err… exposure is definitely harder in the old days. We just don’t have the reach previously. Now at a click to google news you will get to see what is happening around the world, at your fingertips. Previously it is dependent on whether the news channel over at your local radio/TV want to cover it on their limited prime time slot.

Treating exposure thru media now as the same as exposure thru media in the 80s-90s is really laughable.

#112

You’d be surprised at the media censorship and biased reporting some countries get then. I kept track of a political event in Ukraine since 2013 and Russia has been…non-uniform with other media from other countries, to say the least. I also live in a country where being a journalist is lethal to your life.

#114

At least we aren’t talking about sex anymore…

Do we have age demographic studies here?

#115

Yeah, journalism is a hard life, especially when there are so many red tapes here and there. Over on my side of the world it is the same, state controlled media only report things which put them in the good light. Now with the internet, information flows more freely (although still restricted) and we get to “see and hear” more things that aren’t part of our world.

Which is why I don’t understand why some other person in the forum is still saying that exposure now is the same as before, when media at that time was even more regulated and controlled than now.

#118

One thing to clarify is that not everyone is like you who is informed enough to get news from alternate sources other than mainstream media. They are called mainstream for a reason, the majority of the people watch and get their news from these sources. Exposure to this majority is limited then as compared to now, where more avenues for information are opened up due to the WWW being mainstream at the start of the millennial.

#120

Also it has some interesting mechanic.

The art style probably turn a lot people away but if you think in numbers and square (for all object in game and other MMO asset), it is not a simple blind grinding fest.

It might do much better if it is Diablo 3 kind of art style or full of blood.
Not the best but sure it is an unique offer in the market.

#121

Yes I absolutely, 100% to the dot agree :3

It means now with more mainstream channels, more chances to get exposed to more information.

People in the past… have mainstream channels like

  1. TV
  2. Radio
  3. Paper publications (magazines, newspapers etc)

People now… have

  1. TV
  2. Radio
  3. Paper publications
  4. Internet connected device (smart phone ftw)

4 > 3…

Clearly… you don’t even understand what the topic is all about. Exposure is clearly more now as compared to the yesteryears. Information spreads so much faster thru circles in facebook/google+ than without it.

Take your girl Lia , you add her to Facebook, you are instantly within her social circle and get to see whatever she shares or her friends share (permissions aside). You get news from her and her friends who share and tag the news.

Compared to 80s and 90s… you add Lia to your telephone book… what you get in information is when you muster up the courage and Talk to the Girl (OMG that quest). You don’t get to know her interactions in her circle.

That is the amount of information difference… :3

#123

Okay I think the thread’s derailed quite enough. We’re talking about age.

#124

Yeah… sorry for the little skirmish back there.

For age demographics it is pretty hard to get since the game doesn’t require logins besides having a steam account. iToS also isn’t like kToS which requires some form of SSN or home address to get an account??

#125

The reason there are a lot of old people playing ToS is largely due to the success of RO many years before. The RO vets are here for the nostaglia fix. There is just no alternative out there. This is as close as it can get to the RO experience.

(off topic)
IMHO that is also why despite the real shitty way IMC has been running this game by modern MMO standards, the RO vets are still here. The RO vets are used to the lack of information, researching the dynamics of their characters, and being responsible for their in-game decisions instead of crying rivers of stupidity.

The vets simply have a higher tolerance due to their RO experience. Because of this, the RO vets sadly do not care if they get abused by IMC out of blind love and dedication for this genre. Myself included.

#126

If you hadn’t noticed, everything in the adult world is about sex.

#127

I might have to agree on this one. I left RO because mismanagement and toxic community. The forums here? It’s still child’s play compared to what was happening in WP forums (although unfortunately some vagabonds decided to follow because they’re bored of endgame and want to ruin another game >>).

@disgorilla and taxes, although you’re hours late and that ship about sex has long sailed.

#128

The American media is worse about censoring things.