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Why IMC should provide skill/stat resets due to the latest patch

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#1

Hey all!

To preface, I’m glad IMC finally brought over a substantial patch for iTOS. Many of these changes and adjustments were very much needed and will likely have a positive effect on the future of the game.

That said, my main is a Chaplain. I only put 3 skill points into Blessing, because adding a flat extra 50 or so damage was not worth another 12 skill points when the majority of damage was coming from the attribute. Putting more points into Blessing did not add to the longevity of the ability, and I figured the extra 12 skill points were better used elsewhere–and I was right.

However, with the new changes made to Blessing, putting levels into the skill will provide a multiplicative damage boost that scales with stats I was already using. Which is great! That is a very nice change that I feel is important and needed to be done. It will add substantial damage to the ability and help it scale into later gameplay.

But I don’t get to take advantage of it unless I pay TP for a skill reset potion or completely restart the character. Players should not be forced into a multiple-choice decision like this any time substantial changes are introduced to the game, particularly when it involves a class’s abilities and mechanics.

But for everyone who will inevitably disagree with me, let me preemptively dismiss your rebuttals:

Point: “You should pay attention to kTOS patchnotes to know what’s coming up in the future and plan accordingly.”

When I made my Chaplain, that buff was nowhere in KTOS yet, not even on the radar. There was no way to foresee this buff was happening, and I planned my character to be as efficient as it could with what I had to work with. Chastising me for creating a character that worked best for me under the parameters I was given is ignorant.

Point: "You’re just a baby who wants handouts for nothing. Cry me a river."

I would argue that I do not want handouts, I do not want “something for nothing,” I want compensation for substantial changes that were made to a game–specifically to a class which I happen to enjoy, and happened to build based on the game as it was–which I am otherwise unable to take advantage of without a) spending real-life money or b) spending a great deal of time completely remaking the character.

Point: "IMC isn’t obligated to compensate anyone for a free game."

This is absolutely right. IMC is definitely not obligated by any means to compensate players for substantial changes they make.

But there is a certain level of courtesy and respect that game companies need to have for their players if they want to maintain a good relationship with them, if they want to earn players’ trust and dedication. IMC has been notoriously short-handing people since even before ToS’s launch, and this is only going to further tarnish their reputation and push players away.

With the plethora of other free-to-play games on the market, it’s pretty easy for people to stop playing a game they feel is not being fair to them, or continually makes them waste their time, or forces them to pay real money to progress.

Point: "It’s not even that much TP / ToS needs to make money somehow, just pay the TP for a skill reset."

Similar to the last point, this is about courtesy and respect. When substantial changes are brought to a game, but veteran players are not provided an option to actually take advantage of those changes without paying real money or remaking their characters, something is wrong.

Point: "It doesn’t affect me personally / I don’t personally care if I have to buy a reset potion or restart my character when substantial changes are made."

I’m glad you’re able to continue enjoying the game all the same without resets, but not everyone feels that way. All you’re doing is pointing out how selfish you are, and letting everyone know that the only person you really care about it yourself.

Point: "There is currently an event going on that may possibly reward TP…maybe…which justifies IMC not providing free resets of any kind."

IMC giving TP as a possible reward for an event is unrelated to the fact that they should, with courtesy, provide a free reset to anyone whose character/abilities has undergone a significant change.

I’ll post others as they come, but this is all I could think of for now. :>

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#3

Why do you think not receiving free reset potions for substantial buffs is unnecessary? You didn’t really…say. ._.

EDIT: I have taken your…my advice. I’ve been playing GW2 instead, while keeping an eye on ToS. :> It’s been great! But I figured if ToS was going to be making some changes I’d come back and check it out. Only to be disappointed once again.

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#5

The multiplicative formula given to blessing only affects SPR and INT priests, which compared to their CON , STR and DEX counterparts they sacrifice bulkiness in exchange of more support capabilities.

In my opinion your chaplain will remain the same as it was before, but if you only care about being optimal, I’m so sorry for you.

Getting to 120 is not a hard task, especially if you already have funds and gears, you just require some commitment.
I leveled a chaplain all the way up to 150 using a full SPR build before the update, ah the suffering~

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#6

Don’t answer to this 0 argument guy, I see him in every post saying pointless things. What about buying reset stats potions ? Oh wait, where are they mister haukinyau.

I’m still playing it too, until a day I’ll say stop if they do more garbage patches. And many players are in this case. Compared to the launch, servers are empty. Even bots are no longer here, and it’s not because of IMC actions, bots which spam chat in towns are gone because there is no players anymore to catch :frowning:. You’ll keep playing with it, not without it. Because without it this game is lost.

Then don’t post ? No one said you had to post on every thread to say “I already posted on this and this blablabla”. Or at least, quote what you said.

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#7

EVERY mmorpg gives one reset when they have a huge patch in skills/stats and why TOS not? because IMC is greedy full of bot GM, notting else

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#10

TOS is pretty generous with items as far as MMORPG’s go. Supposedly both of the items you want come from the final rewards of the scavenger hunt. I’d recommend working towards them as items of this rarity will likely stay in the cash shop. I think you may be able to manage both of them if you started now.

Glad you didn’t ask for a class reset at least. That truly goes against the spirit of the game.

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#11

You are right Hilsun, they need to give the players some potions to change their chars every time they make major changes to skills or gameplay.
Why? Because there is no easy way to do so, unless you pay to change something that was not your mistake nor your decision to take.

Its a basic way to make a better enviroment to embrace the new coming changes.
We can say its something like a recall, to fix the old version.

But its up to imc to choose this way or do something this:
“If you have an older version of my product, you can buy a new version or pay X to upgrade it.”

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#13

This thread is not only about reset. I could want a reset or not, it would not change the lack of community from IMC, or their skills to balance the game. He’ll listen to me because I don’t troll his topic and because I don’t act like a kid.

You already did it :confused:.

Still waiting your answer.

#14

I would consider losing 960 damage per basic attack fairly substantial.

Every level of blessing increases the damage (for me right now) by 16, and I’m missing 12 levels. 16 x 12 = 192. Every basic attack from my Chaplain does 5 hits: Basic attack, Sacrament, Last Rites, Cafrisun, and Aspergillum. 192 x 5 = 960.

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#16

You started it, like every troll.

Maybe an answer to your derail.

I’ll answer to people I want to answer.

Yes it’s about free penguin.

Cya (still wating all your arguments against reset you listed in other threads).

#18

Cant we ■■■■■■■ wait? We have some hidden rewards from the event, on kToS there were reset potions as reward from events…

#19

No, we can’t. Because whether or not the even ends with a reset potion is a moot point.

If IMC made an announcement saying “we made lots of changes to classes and skills this patch, so if you do this event we’re giving out free reset potions!” then I would agree with you, even if I think that’s a lame way to compensate. But they didn’t say that, so it’s not even 100% certain.

Players should be given an opportunity to readjust their builds FOR FREE when substantial changes are made. Period.

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#20

Just wait you casual. I’m rerolling again and again until I find something that fits for me. Arealdy going for the 8th rank 7.

#21

Im pretty sure he isnt asking for circle reset. Just skill and stat.

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