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Why i vote for a wipe

I should declare a guild war on the OP. Too bad I don’t have a guild, and we’re likely not on the same damned server.

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You must think the clause has some sort of absolute power…

Selling false merchandise is actually against the law and people can sue them.

Lawyers can bypass Terms of Services and any clauses because they really don’t hold much water in court.

This isn’t china where you can sell a Tetris handheld unit disguised as a PS Vita and expect to get away with it…We bought a product because we were told no wipe, a simple “no refund” clause isn’t gonna do anything.

Get real.

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This simple concept escapes so many people. I am blown away that I have to explain this to people.

You don’t have grounds to appeal for that, they gave you exacly what they advertise. Early access to a OBT, you play the EA, for 14 entire days, many hours… you can’t eat a burguer than ask for your money back because didn’t look like the picture…

Its not false merchandise. Just because one staff member said no wipes doesn’t make it true. Or legally binding. You were promised early access and that is all you were promised for your payment.

Good for them this isn’t a part of terms of service this is some thing completely different. All you did was display you don’t know what we are discussing.

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They didn’t even said that, people doesn’t know how to read things in context…

Julie said that once EA is over, they will not wipe before the OBT, meaning that they assure you that the way you acc ends in EA will remain in OBT.

She said that just to make ppl more calm because ppl were spreading misinformation about a fresh start wipe once OBT starts…

In any moment what so ever she said for sure that no wipes can be done before or after the OBT starts. It’s a mechanism of defense for a game that’s not even release yet, they may have to wipe one or more times IF they found something they judge to be game breaking.

[MAR 16th UPDATE - Further Details / Clarification]

  • We have plans to add new servers in June in accordance to the player base
  • New players may decide which server they wish to play on depending on the server situation.
  • There will be no data wipe of Teams or items

[MAR 16th UPDATE - FAQ]

  • Servers will be located on the east coast of the US, same as the iCBT servers
  • 100 TP is priced at approximately USD$9.00
  • EXP gained through hunting will be at the same rate as kTOS
  • The price we announced is based on the price that will be applied to the US. Please check the Steam Store Page for your regional prices. They will be adjusted by Steam Standards.

Here:

  • There will be no data wipe of Teams or items
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Yes i covered that. Its not contractually binding.

Maybe not, but it’d make them a fine bunch of friggin’ liars. Lying to your paying customer base, that’s pretty bad for business, don’t you think? They go against their word now, who’s to say they won’t do it again in the future?

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¬¬ You fake that by using totally out of context… troll

Post a link next time.

Here’s the real deal for you:



This is a OBT, as stated on every OBT, it’s susceptible to wipes.

They have changed information before. So yea why would it matter if they did it again.

You’re right. They did change information before.

I suppose you’re okay with the nice pay wall they’ve put up in the game, huh?

You know, the one that kind of jips anyone who wants to play a class that’s based on trading, like the Squire, the Pardoner, and the Alchemist.

The kind that doesn’t allow people to trade with each other, freely.

Because I remember them saying they wouldn’t do that. If you were to ask me to find that quote, I wouldn’t be able to, because, like you said, they change their information.

EDIT: Let’s not forget the one that limits dungeon runs to 2, when it could be… 3, as long as we pay for that token.

I have been waging war on the trade system since they made the change on KToS. And im not arguing in favor of a wipe, im neutral. I see ups and downs on both sides and either i could live with. Just the bullshit they owe us and they have to / charge back threat arguments were wrong and i was simply explaining why, and that they could wipe if they want to.

You are a champ for posting a forum announcement that’s dated 3/18 after you just said staff’s posts don’t matter in court.

Look at Steam, you know, where most people buy the product?
Where does it say that it’s open beta? You can’t even find the word beta in their ToS. F2P Launch is 4/28. Founder Server Access package 1 month before. That’s it.

Keep making yourself look bad.

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10 years since tos didnt wipe.i walk through the empty streets trying to think of something else but my path always leads to tos. i stare at the screen for hours and try to summon the devs. i watch other tos players but it is no good. i flame gms in their office and try to resist the anti-wipes in my dreams but it is all meaningless. the end is near.i then usually watch some old tos vids and cry myself to sleep.

Well, let me answer your question of “why would it matter if they did it again”

Because it pisses their customers off. That’s why. Especially their loyal customers, who’ve supported them. I gave them my support. They should give me back their word.

And if not, I’ll lose my trust in them. And, eventually, I’ll never touch their product again. I do not want that to happen. I’ve been hyped for this game too long to see it get shut down, or to see the company LIE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.

Except that it isn’t, as this is an early release.
As written in that message, they would have announced the dates separately…and guess what, they never announced the open beta release date. As a matter of fact, they never mentioned anything about an open beta after that.
What they did mention instead is a transition into f2p. And discounts on founder packs during the last week
“to compensate for the lack of head-start that players who purchase the products late into the Exclusive Access period would have.”
(oh, guess what, we’re indeed paying for an headstart too…being an early release, despite what you may say)

So, as told many times before, your argument makes no sense.

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How do you know IMC cannot track? It may be time consuming for them but does NOT mean they cannot.

More importantly, how can you guarantee a wipe will be the solution as you expected? This bug is from STEAM and the bots can still take advantage of the bug if it’s still there.

I’m ok with or without wipe… But … does it mean the team transfer is ■■■■■■■ useless if you are going to wipe anyway. LOL

and everyone will ■■■■■■■ grab someones Team name … the first to log-in will get the team name they want haha. (I on the other hand didn’t got my first choice.)

Where were you when ppl were tearing each other apart to get their team names? If the server were to be wiped, I think it’s a great chance for ppl to start on the server where they want to play with their token restored + probable a compensation.