Then game is already doomed, broken by BRconomy
Let’s just all gitch, dupe and hack, am i rite???
I know, it’s so broken.
They duped so many items and created so much new silver. How will we ever recover from this?
Except the “dupe” involves abusing the pay system to buy tokens and sell them on the market, thereby not generating new silver but rather taking more out of the system. IMC said they will look into tracking them down so… how is the economy broken?
You see no harm in a few players with 3 000 000 000 silver dictating the prices on AH, with the possibility to buy 6 000 tokens and become perma VIP.
Most of the absurd amount of Silver they had were provide by bots and RMT that were using those cheap Tokens to bypass 1:1 trade restrictions…
Game is perfect, why wipe…
Except new players will join on a new servers that IMC said will open when game will launch. Pls tell me, what is you character level and how much time did you spend? I’m a legit player, ive’got 294 hours played, and if they wipe my whole progress they at least shoud provide me refund for my founders package 1, cause i’m not going to invest this time again, for another exploit popping up and u screaming wipe again. Exploits with economy ruining potential pops up in many MMORPGs nowadays, noone of them wiped anything.
Getting tokens out of nowhere perhaps?
There’s no reason not to wipe for this, it’s like a snowball growing bigger and bigger.
This tokens generate ifnaltion or anything? No they can’t generate inflation. They shift amounts of legitely grinded money to the hands of exploiters. Some of this will get traced and deleted, with other game shoud just live, since it can’t afford wiping hours and hours of legit players progress.
Just posting I am in favor of a wipe. I didn’t play 16 hours a day so it’s not a problem for me
This game won’t attract new players when they learn the economy was broken 2 weeks in
Thisa game won’t attract new players, when they will know, that when another exploit will pop up all their characters will be wiped again.
People doesn’t understand that inflation can happen in 2 ways…
They think it only happens when you inject money on the market, which is true, but also can happen when you inject to many products, making said product (Token) price to fall, thus breaking the economy, since said product will interfere on the price of other products.
If the standard price of a new car few to 100 dollars, why would you pay more than that for a bike? Thus making the bike price to fall as well… Which make another product obsolete… And on and on
That’s the problem with duppin
@Rainwrath
I’m on the fence about this. The odds of IMC being able to find and ban all the cheaters and their dummy accounts are pretty slim. On the other hand, a wipe would start everything with a clean slate but punish the legitimate players as well.
Probably the best course of action would be a combination of the two. IMC banning all the cheaters and their dummy accounts that they possibly can and implementing an anti cheat system to help mitigate botting. Since IMC has the ability to transfer accounts to servers, IMC can copy our accounts to a backup database and wipe the servers. Then they can transfer our account back to the server of our choice, with our characters, their respective levels, experience, stats, equipment, exp cards, skill attributes and enhancement levels, and achievements intact – IMC can probably also reset our early access bonus.
This way we don’t lose all those hours we invested into our characters, we still have our best current level equipment, do the server transfers, have our founders bonus, and reduce the number of bots and their damage done to the in game economy.
All of this is easier said than done of course, as this is definitely not fool proof. I probably also missed a few important details but I believe this is our best option, in my opinion.
Even if they did decide to wipe they wouldn’t have to as it has a no refund claus on it anyway. And if you going to leave they game why would they care if your unhappy about not having a refund.
Ok, so you’ll be okay with wiping this game every month when new exploit pops up? Because exploits that has a potential to damage economy becomve available in many MMORPGs, and none of them had a wipe because of that, you know?
I’m not saying they have to. I’m saying they SHOULD do it if they want to have at least some amount of positive out of the disaster they had. Some guys there say that this game won’t attract new players when they’ll know that there was an economy ruining exploit. Players tend to not attract to a games that have thousands of negative reviews too.
No they shouldn’t that just changes it from a player loss to player loss and money loss. It would be a stupid move.
That i agree with many of those negative reviews are regarding restrictions, which they just added more of lol.
Wiping isn’t going to get rid of bots. This exploit is just basically transferring money from bots to exploiters. The extra, illegit silver is already there…and will be there again after the wipe because bots will be back. And who knows, there could be another exploit again later on, do you wipe every time?
There are already features in place, and will be more security features, to help control the market.
Server wipe is pointless. This thing is blown way out of proportion.
A lot of the people that are in favor of server wipe have barely anything to lose because they barely or don’t even play the game. And quite a few people here probably are waiting for F2P and did not even pay for EA.
TLDR: This thread is a joke. Staff please close it.
Wipe is not an option. It would kill ToS by many lvl 200+ quitting. This is because progression in ToS is way too tedious especially with all the restrictions, it supports linearity (anti fun of gaming). If it were possible to get lvl 280 in 1 month of hardcore grinding & exploration a wipe would be plausible. If we weren’t punished for killing mobs above our level and they stopped destroying the game and all of its players because of bots a wipe would be an easy choice for everyone. Hiding quest and making them mandatory to progress fast was a big mistake, making the collection of exp cards instead of defeating 100 powerful, difficult to kill mobs the fastest way to lvl up was a mistake. Players will get tired of gaining artificial experience, there will be no difference from a lvl 1 and a lvl 600.
We’re forced to progress by the game’s broken rules and speed, to gain wealth through limited RNG and spending days waiting to trade items & collect the money. We’re forced to kill mobs with low spawn rates and empty spaces in all maps all due to the fear and cowardice born from us that put paranoia in IMC’s head. This gave botters actual power and relevance, increasing their numbers and encouraging them to nest in ToS.
There are more exploits and hacks, no proof yet, but I know cause of how vulnerable ToS is. The best they can do is ban all abusers. It would be a big loss in future income if they wiped cause the replayability of ToS is low.
I would be for a wipe instead of against it if IMC were to find creative ways to prevent botting and hacking without punishing real players. They could use goldselling to make more money for themselves and easier for players. The wipe would also have to be the day it becomes F2P. Never wanted this early access in the first place. It was always an OBT turned into an early access that divided the community & servers.
They have to stop making this game artificially difficult for cheaters first, it’s only rewarding to them and makes the game hell for us legit players, a wipe wouldn’t solve this.
I’d vote for wipe as well. Destroying economy even just once is enough.
Voting isn’t even option. You have no say. It was already stated that there would be no wipe. This entire topic is useless.
The problem is tracking those scammers will take too long and maybe not even half of them will be ban. Better to wipe than put some measures to not happen again.
I think one thing is for sure, making Token untradeable is a must, nothing good came out of it, facilitate RMT because they can simply buy a token and bypass 1:1 trade limitations, and without that we wouldn’t be seeing this scam right now.
The Beta enviroment was made for this, once it release they should never wipe, but if they found a game breaking bug/exploit every month, then they should wipe every month…
Or you are saying that if they find a game breaking bug they should just leave it there and fck those that happen to fell in it?