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Why are half of the Archer classes so weak?

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#1

Once again, just like in CBT, Archers are the weakest class.

These classes are the exceptions; the strong Archer classes, overpowered ones in bold.

  • Falconer
  • Quarrel Shooter
  • Mergen
  • Wugushi
  • Cannoneer
  • Fletcher

The weak classes seen below are being overshadowed by these strong classes, mostly by Falconer and Fletcher, giving the illusion that Archers are super strong and amazing, when only 3 of them truly are, leaving the rest of the classes ignored.

The rest are really weak, lackluster, dull

  • Ranger
  • Hunter
  • Sapper
  • Scout
  • Rogue
  • Schwarzer Reiter
  • Musketeer
  • Hackapell

These classes probably need to spend twice as much on gear and attributes to even do the damage those strong classes can do.

But one class in particular is very in need of help; Hackapell.

Hackapell is THE most expensive Archer class. It needs to spend money on 3 weapons; crossbow, sword, pistol. It needs to spend money on other gear and attributes. It needs to spend money on its companion. And yet, its damage is completely HORRIBLE.

Hackapell is definitely the worst Rank 8 class, only comparable to Taoist.

When compared to the other 3 ranks strong vs weak classes…

Cleric

Strong, the overpowered ones are bolded.

  • Priest
  • Dievdirbys
  • Sadhu
  • Monk
  • Pardoner
  • Chaplain
  • Miko
  • Druid
  • Plague Doctor
  • Kabbalist
  • Inquisitor

Weak, lackluster, dull

  • Krivis
  • Bokor
  • Paladin
  • Taoist

Swordsman

Strong, the overpowered ones are bolded.

  • Highlander
  • Peltasta
  • Barbarian
  • Hoplite
  • Rodelero
  • Squire
  • Corsair
  • Doppelsoeldner
  • Fencer
  • Shinobi
  • Murmillo
  • Lancer

Weak, lackluster, dull

  • Cataphract
  • Dragoon
  • Templar

Wizard

Strong, the overpowered ones are in bold.

  • Pyromancer
  • Cryomancer
  • Linker
  • Psychokino
  • Thaumaturge
  • Elementalist
  • Chronomancer
  • Necromancer
  • Alchemist
  • Rune Caster
  • Warlock
  • Featherfoot
  • Enchanter
  • (Sage with missile hole)

Weak, lackluster, dull

  • Sorcerer
  • (Sage without missile hole)

As one can see, Archer has the majority of the weak classes, all of which rely on gimmicky and unconventional methods of attacking. These classes honestly deserve complete reworks, as their skills are NOT on par with the skills of any other class.

IMC, please consider, in a future balancing patch, reworking those 8 weak Archer classes.

In a kTOS devblog, it was stated that Rogue would be completely reworked in the far future, so there is a little hope.

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#2

Wanted to give hunter a try with the reset event, but no. The main issue lies with the simple pet mechanic and not to mention the class skills makes it bug out even more. Game has been out for so long and yet the default pet system is still crap. Really dissapointed.

#3

Ranger and Scout are pretty alright i think. Scout is a late bloomer, though I don’t like how Flare Shot was handled.
Hunter and Rogue have always been somewhat one-trick or just bad/buggy though…
Give it time, they’ve stated that there will be more balance patches.

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#4

Not sure if trolling or don’t understand how important weapons are now.

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#5

Not sure are you trolling as well or not. It’s a fact that some classes are underwhelming and not even “meta” for a reason.
Or simply buggy

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#6

Schwarzer Reiter is one of the best “farm class” of the moment in my opinion.

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#7

Archers used to have innate advantage on evasion and crit rate iirc. But now it seems that the crit rate was removed, while the evasion, idk if it’s still there, or evasion is really ■■■■ now especially with the log scaling

#8

^ I agreed on that

sapper is quite ok-ish for me tho

#9

Thought this was just a biased topic, but after seeing the Wizard list it can only be a troll.

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#10

That other guy was bringing up weapons/gears in a class topic. That’s why I said he is pretty much trolling as well.
Good gears obviously will make any crap tier class playable, but that doesn’t change the fact that underwhelming classes are underwhelming.

#11

Your list is highly subjective. For example, there are many people who’d argue that Dievs, Necros, Linkers and Pyros should not be considered “strong” because in some aspects these classes got fcked by the update.
There are people who’d also argue that swordis got screwed by the update because unlike archers they don’t have easy access to crit-boosting buffs.

If you want, i can make subjective lists of any sort that show how any base class of your choosing has the highest amount of weak subclasses and how any base class of your choosing has the most strong subclasses.

#12

is this a troll list? or have you played any of them? falconer being overpowered? really now?

I think you have no idea of what you’re talking about

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#13

Everyone does little damage without gear and attributes. Gear is important now and is a part of everyone regardless if you i or anyone likes it. I guess the chart IMC posted multiple times didn’t spell that out enough.
I truly don’t know where the idea hackapell is weak especially comes from.

#14

I believe it always was.

#15

Scwarzer reiter is dominating PvP

#16

highest archer class at the moment is rank 48 on the leaderboards.

#17

Squire so stronk yo

I hope that list is intended to be a joke

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#18

They should at least fix hunter =/

#19

As for Scout, damage on Split Arrow is good (high % scaling on bounce), but it isn’t “main” damaging skill anymore (and that’s kinda sad, because that’s what you go Circle 3 for). I’ll still be playing Scout 3 (love the class; can’t help it), but I really hope they will change the cooldown to 5 or 7 seconds.

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#20

hm…

(weak) Scout3 vs Pardoner3 (strong)
(weak) Schwarzer Reiter3 vs Druid3 (strong)
(weak) Musketeer2 vs Kabbalist2 (strong)

Ok.

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