Greetings Everyone!
I am gathering ideas from anyone who can share their inputs and thoughts on these 2 builds when Rank 8 comes.
I am wondering which of the two builds will be better in terms of PVE dps output for ET, field mob farming, dungeons, etc. when Rank 8 comes.
Thank you and GG!
1st option is already cookie cutter doppel build, along with Sw-High3-Barb1-Doppel2.
2nd is a NO NO for me. no synergy, plus you need to weapon swap since hoplite = spears, doppel 2hand swords.
I see your point. The synergy isn’t there with Redel, Zornhau, and Zucken which requires Two-handed Sword.
migzz what do you think about Sw1>Highlander1>Barb2>Pelt1>Doppel2?
Edited: Fixed
You only have 6 rank, where is your 7th rank?
imo if you want a true 2hand DPS swordsman, you have to give up Pelt1 as it only gives you the ability to mass taunt. Guardian will also be nerfed in the future. But I guess its fine if you want to be an off tank.
really can’t give up pelt, no taunt no party =))
I’m doing fine without it tbh. It’ll be much slower to level without one, but it’ll be all worth it in the end.
ayt thanks for the feedback =))
Amusingly enough ToS verse Doppels has a history coming from Hoplites.
lmao. I saw that too. But honestly if Doppel doesn’t get any weapon restrictions, no one would be Dragoon.
But if we are sticking to historic facts, then Doppels should also be able to use crossbows.
how about ET performance, dont you have a hard time finding a party as you dont have pelt 1? i wanna make a doppel too but not sure if i should go for pelt 1 or high 1.
I haven’t tried ET yet but @akisera is able to clear up to 5F. same Sw-High-Barb3-Doppel2 build.
for grinding not at all. I was still able to join grind parties, coz there are still some players out there looking for any kinds of swordsman just to get pt bonus. tho they are rare. both are good options anyway. pelt will guarantee you easy spots in parties, for highlanders the skill crown, cartar and cross guard are great skills for 2hand sword builds since they scale.
Thank you @migzzz for sharing. Indeed, the concensus now seems to be barb3>doppel3 for Rank 8 doppel build. Like @WallChicken said, the dilemma now is choosing between Peltasta1 or Highlander1.
Both have their place, but I am not really sure which one would be superior in the end. Anyone wanna enlighten us so we could start making our PVE doppel already. Peltasta1 or Highlander1?
i’m going highlander3>barb1>doppel2. for god sake don’t take peltast, its uselees when u hit high level. peltasta 1 is useless in ET and if they continue buffing swordsman u will have enough or even more dmg than other classes (alredy have in some boss fights)
i was talking with a 280 doppel yesterday and he said that all those pelt 1 guys are fcked later on
I see. Well yeah, I’ve watched a lot of ET videos and I rarely see sword classes in them anyway. It is better to party up with friends who’ll take them with you in ET runs, be if you’re a pelt 1 swordie or not.
I’ve got the same problem. Giving up Pel1 is hard, you lose easy way to get into grind parties, easy way to get lots of mobs into your Cyclone. The damage increase from the Highlander attribute is negligible and depends on your crit. I’ve calculated it to be 25-50 damage per hit and that requires good gear. Catar Stroke apparently still does a good damage even at 200+. Crown gives you another Shock enabler and Cross Guard stays relevant. They should have just given Highlanders an equivalent to Swashbucking and everything would have been nice.
@Lenny Well, as long as there’s leveling and griding, Pelt1 will stay useful. Highlander on its own isn’t much. Even at 1000 Str, your crits get increased by 500. We don’t know however how much crit we would get with a pure Str at levels highter than 280. Every level up our crit goes down, so we’ll need to add more and more crit rating to compensate. Say you’ve got 20% crit chance, that would equate to 100 per hit. If you skill does 10k damage it’s not that much. Highlander does definitely increase your DPS but not on the same level as say Barb’s Cleave debuff.
but dude highlander isnt about the crit dmg, its about cross guard, catar stroke, crown and wagon wheel.
the crit dmg dont make a big diference, but having a block that scales from STR (pelt block is from CON right?) and having all the other skills is way better for a 2h sword dps or even 2h spear cus u can block faster and have better pierce dmg. also the stagger can be really helpfull too in any dps build
and catar stroke, with knockback atributes probably can do a lot even at higher levels
also, crown reduce int scaling with STR too, so it can be really usefull against magic mobs
I don’t think crit dmg is irrelevant, other wise archers wouldn’t be stacking them. problem is getting our crit rate up so that crit dmg becomes relevant. and still as level cap increases, crit dmg increases as well and 50% is a huge modifier.
but yeah I took High1 for Cartar, Crown and Cross Guard. those skills are underrated. as a Pelt1, SB is the only skill that will benefit you, you won’t be using Guardian specially if you plan to get max level DoV (unless you’ll buy/farm Lapasape Mushrooms). getting Crown also means you can skip Zornhau on Doppel and allot the skill point on another skill.
I myself don’t regret not getting pelt just because I’ll lose SB (already had a Templar, I really hated pelt as a class, it’s supposed to be a Tank but is only actually a lurer, imo Clerics do a better tank since they can actually mitigate damage). I still get into grinding parties (but yeah it is hard finding one that isn’t specifically looking for a pelt but I am managing anyways) and you’ll really have to exert time and effort to at least be viable DPSing (getting yourself geared, enhancing your equips, leveling your attributes)
really hope they buff more swordsman or all the new ones thar are apearing now will just quit, and me too lol again