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Where's the fairness for NA players?

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#1

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First, I’d like to thank the Tree of Savior Admin Team for trying their best to resolve problems in regards to any kind of unfairness.

But one thing I hope you guys did not forget to compensate are the NA players. The whole time prices were lower for SA servers, most of the NA players did not know that. What’s disappointing to know is you are just making a solution by “moving the scamming Brazilians away” to a separate server. Well, it’s not about the Brazilians, or the angry white NA players. It’s about YOUR TEAM for assuming that everyone in NA would be okay with price differences for different regions. I may live in North America but it doesn’t mean I’m rich. Basically what I’m trying to say is, IDGAF how “developing” this region still is, prices should be the SAME. SA players play ToS in devices that AT LEAST or MORE have the same SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS as us here in NA.

We are not asking for a Donald Trump to save us here. All I’m saying is, whatever happened to games determined by how much hours you play in it and just stopping bots, how did you even come to think of making different prices for different regions? As everyone predicted and your team overlooked was the fact that every NA player would have a hard time affording Tokens while most of every SA player enjoys it.

This is something I won’t even argue with you guys here, this is just something you guys can look at and think about so you see what you guys did. Do whatever you want to sound right, nothing is going to take back whatever made NA players feel left out. I gotta say though, I’m ONLY enjoying the game like it’s only a save-game, you guys might as well make an offline version of this game cuz NA players just feel like walking NPCs and they can’t even take part of the better things in this game.

Also, you are giving gold sellers the opportunity to sell in-game currency to everyone in the world with the same price while you unnecessarily struggle trying to divide the water between Africa and Canada. <— That’s a metaphor, don’t confuse yourself.

Props to the few NA players still keeping up with the SA unfairness, still dropping raw hours of gameplay just to keep up with SEA and SA botters and gold sellers alike.

I may not be a bowsman in-game, but this is Robin Hood coming back at you with “WTF happened to the food.”

Sincerely Yours,
Robin Hood.

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#2

You have triggered me with your bait mate.

Congratulations.

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#3

Holy ■■■■ the amount of ignorance in this post is over 9000. There are explanations for how regional prices work all over the forums by now. I’ve offered them in 2 separate places. It’s pointless though because clearly you don’t want to or can’t understand how economics 101 works.

EDIT: The situations is not at all helped by the dumbass at IMC who typed that post up, who clearly has as little an understanding of the concept of “real prices”.

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#4

Because different parts of the world have different concentrations of wealth. This is reality. Just because you can afford certain prices does not mean people in other places can.

IMC was being fair. That got abused. They changed things. This isn’t IMCs fault, and nobody cares that you didn’t know about the price because your situation does NOT warrant it.

/toughsh*t

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#5

If something happens to me tonight, I will tell them it’s you. :wink:

#6

That’s what I was trying to say. The announcement rose up questions, especially from NA players, if you’re at Orsha Server at Ch 3 K-Town not too long ago, you woulda heard all the riot from NA and SA players against this weird thing IMC and the systems are at.

#7

You do realize that in some countries an average NA salary is a year salary for them? Those are extremes but the prices are there for a reason and they pretty much are worth the same to them than they are worth to you.

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#8

This has nothing to do with SA and NA players in general, the solutions to fix things just made things worse. The last thing I want is my group which some of them play from SA too have to feel the pain of the many fail-solutions that have to come.

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#9

So in turn, we can’t buy a token while you enjoy low Token prices right? :slight_smile:

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#10

Sorry to put it to you but my prices are in € and higher than yours. So I actually pay more USD than you so you can’t really complain to me about fairness. Thanks. I’m just pointing out the obvious about prices and that it’s normal for some countries to have to pay less as if they didn’t then it would pretty much be the same as you having to pay 100USD instead of half.

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#12

The solutions didn’t make things worse. They just made you upset. Their solution is sound.

#13

Then this brings us to a good point, why can’t EA have cheaper prices? Why does EA have to pay more than NA who pays more than SA? See. Don’t look at me LOL I just want it fair for all of us. I wish we had a game where the server was its own country somehow. A whole new Fishbowl…

#14

Oh god no dude, did you read what he said. While people in the US may pay 30$ and people in SEA may pay 10$, what matters is that 30$ and 10$ buys you the same amount of stuff in the US and SEA respectively. Meaning that the very same H&M sweatshirt that you buy for 30$ in the US costs 10$ (in local currency) in SEA. So basically you paid 1 sweatshirt for the founders pack in the US and the SEA guy paid 1 sweatshirt for it in SEA. You guys paid the same REAL price.

Now before you write to email H&M about their unfair prices too, the lower price in SEA in $ terms is because the average wages in SEA are lower in dollar terms. Meaning that somebody with the same McDonalds job gets 10$ an hour in US while they get 3$ an hour in SEA. They still lead the same shitty McDonalds worker life in both places though because things cost the same proportionally. Meaning you in the US spend 5$ out of 10 to live in a shitty apartment and the other guy spends 1.5$ out of 3$ to live in the same kind of shitty apartment.

The only unfair thing would be if the guy in SEA is paid 3$ but now has to pay 5$ for the same shitty apartment because YOU think you were the one being treated unfairly. I repeat the previous situation was fair because both of you paid half ur incomes to live in the same shitty apartment in ur respective countries. The second situation is unfair for SEA guy cause now he has to pay 5/3rds of his income for the same kind of apartment whereas you are still paying only 1/2.

Ok I’m done.

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#15

The current system is screwed up as there is one single price for everyone. As it used to be was much better for everyone. Yes there was a price difference in numbers but it’s only a number. It’s there because life is different, wage is different and so obviously prices are different. I honestly don’t see where you don’t find fairness? Yes the game is expensive but considering those are “packages” and not actual TP only transactions I don’t see where the big deal is. If you want to take into consideration the TP price once there will actually be one then we will talk then but here those packages give you specific things and so prices is there for a reason. I just hope they’ll change prices for countries for which this actual price is maybe a fourth of their wage. That is inadmissible while in NA, or EU* 50 bucks or EU is more than easily obtainable if you’re an adult and “working”. That doesn’t mean begging your parents for money you didn’t earn.

Point is- if you work and are in a first world country this game is more than easily purchaseable.

To add to my reasoning- As I stated, while it was an extreme, 50€ can be a month salary for someone depending where they’re from. An average minimum EU wage is 1000€, a bit more, while it’s a tiny bit less in the US. Would you pay 900 bucks a month for this game? I’m sure not.

#16

This made my day :smiley: LOL i don’t think you get it, either way, an SA P2P is never gonna get inside the Historic Site if he’s not lvl. 90, for example. It just makes me tear cuz I wanted to have a Hoglan hehehe xD can F2P have a price mount for trying hard? I can’t dance.

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#19

This sounds fair, and well explained. But this is exactly what a Gold Seller can exploit. That same pricing would be fair if it was game access… but when it comes to Token privilege, watch how it affects all players in the same server. I do respect your knowledge of world economy, but it sadly doesn’t apply in game especially if it’s both people from both ends of the world. This is SA telling me this that their gold sellers are just finding better opportunities to operate now because of this.

#20

FREE ARDE DAGGER FOR EVERYONE? xD