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Where is the archer rework?

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#21

You’re delusional if you think using a video of a heavily funded character is an example of the state of a class as a whole. All this video shows is how only AA builds are viable in the archer tree. Falconer, SR, QS, BM are only good because only AA builds are good in Tree of Savior. No one is asking for these classes to get buffed LMAO. They constantly buff SR and QS and leave other classes to hang dry. The recent buff to Falconer and Musket only promote the growth of more AA builds. HALF of Archer tree is in a really bad spot and you wanna say there’s nothing wrong with Archers?

Ranger is trash. People only use two skills on Ranger, Barrage and Steady aim. And even then these two skills alone aren’t worth the roll. Ranger only has good synergy with Rouge and maybe Hacka. As a whole Ranger is underwhelming that no one even goes ranger as a filler anymore, they just go straight for Archer 2 or QS.

Hunter has always been in a bad spot. The entire class as well as pet’s AI needs a rework.

Scout is a support class with only damage skills how does that work. Split arrow is garbage now and no one uses perspective distortion, why this skill still exists when Aiming exists is beyond me.

I love Wugushi but this is an extremely under powered class with only one good skill. Jincan Gu is still a weak C3 skill and all of Wugushi’s poison/DoT in general is so underwhelming that even Plague Doctor, a healing class does it much better.

And let’s talk about Sapper. Sapper is a one trick pony. The only skill that Sapper has under its belt is Broomtrap. The only reason people take this class because Sapper’s other skills aren’t very good. Stake stockades and Detonate trap have their occasional use in bad rotation but are only filler at best. Spike Shooter is also a garbage skill that works wonky with an extremely large cooldown.

Mergen is one of the worst rank 8 classes there right now. C2 didn’t do anything to help it. Mergen has such a high start up ceiling that the only way to make this class DECENT is to heavily gear up in AAR gear, which most new or even casual players won’t have access to considering how difficult it is to get AAR in the first place. Unless you get lucky with hair accessory roles, or have a lot of money for Centarus cards, Gladiator bands, Phadas, Solmiki Medal etc etc, you’re not going anywhere with Mergen. It’s such a bad class. And even with AAR gear Mergen’s skill are underwhelming. C2 is so bad that most people don’t even bother taking it because the new skills are garbage.

And I don’t even want to get into the state of Rogue, Fletcher and Hackapell because they’ve been so heavily discussed. If you can’t defend each and every one of these classes then be quiet.

They called it an ‘Archer Rework’ but it was just a ‘Falconer, Musketeer, Quarrel Shooter, Auto Attack Build Buff’. They didn’t even touch more than half of the tree.

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#22

And you’re delusional if you think mergen is bad.

Newsflash: A gear dependent class != a bad class.

That’s like saying a murmillo is bad because you need 30 mil in attributes just to get started. No, it’s not bad, in fact it’s the strongest bossing class in the game, but yes, you do need funds to get started.

Delusional. What a fun word.

#23

Lmaoooo. You used a single video of a heavily funded character as an argument that the entire archer tree as a whole is in a good spot. I think that’s pretty delusional. For any class to be good you’re gonna need some funding, but Mergens strictly require you to heavily gear up on AAR which is not readily accessible aside from a few resources in game. Attributes just require silver, everyone can get silver, it’s not the same. Read the whole post next time.

Funny that you say that when Quarrel Shooter and Cryomancer have become the bread and butter of most meta builds in the game right now. So meta that a level 350 weapon has stats that specifically increase Quarrel Shooter’s skill power.

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#24

Guys just a friendly reminder that they never stated they were done rebalancing archer tree. I’m sure they will rebalance it, if not next rebalance surely the one following it.

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#25

Really? Don’t you really think if ranger would be that great as you said people would take it? None is using Ranger atm except for SR because they don’t have more options. By the way Pelta taunt is ability thousands times better than a gargabe buff. You really should start to use your brain. Half of the archers are Falco3 Mergen 1, 4/10 QS3/Sapper 3 BM. It’s seem people in this game is a bunch of retard so, they’re not picking that insane 10% buff over 10 seconds. And what happen with Rouge3 or Ranger3? They’re resting in peace right now

@Val Hopefully you’re right.

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#26

+21 bow trans 10 isnt a good example of a class because less than 0,3% of the game has is? Also you realize hes using most of the time falconer skills, right? Mergen can be easily replaced by anything.

Also no one is asking for rework for cannon, appraiser etc. We want a real QoL for Fletcher, rouge, sapper… More diversity.

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#27

Funny thing he posted a video about the archer meme build. Everyone knows QS3-Falco3-Mergen it’s a insane build atm. He probably didn’t read the post

#28

Oh god please stop with the rouge thing guys. :smile: I’m getting awful flashbacks to the beginning of the game when everyone was constantly saying class names wrong. :unamused:

#29

It bugs me the whole time reading this topic too lmao. Its Rogue guys…

Its really wrong if the whole archer tree needs heavy funding to be strong enough and enjoyable enough to do game contents. And it cant even go further than any popular builds with the same heavy funding. 80% of the chars in my lodge are archer, so yeah.

#30

Play the game. What class do you thing the meme AA Cleric class is based on? Yep, it’s centered around a Rank 2 class. How are you going to build a Krivis Taoist? Yep, the entire build is centered around a Rank 2 class. Try building a Slash-damage based Shinobi. What are you going to need for it to work? Yes, Double Slash (Swordsman, a Rank 1 class) and Moulinet (Highlander, a Rank 2 class).

Stop moving the goalpost. You’re still missing the point saying those classes are great when the best they offer is just one single skill. And even if Barrage synergizes well with Feint, it’s only a filler, you can’t pretend that’s part of your main source of damage.

Play the game. WL2 awful? LMAO. Yeah, that’s why WL2 was never picked for R8 builds, though Drain and Trail are indeed awful skills, even with IMC’s pitiful attempt at reworking those skills, but the rest of the kit was worth it taking the circle 2. Inquisitor2 is actually decent in PvP, that’s what that circle is for and that’s the role that class is being focused on. You’ve probably started playing ToS recently, that’s why you can only give such few examples and wasn’t even able to recognize the “Rouge” jokes in the topic.

Mergen isn’t a great class, it’s Falconer that makes pretty much any Archer class work well. You can take BM, Cannon, Musketeer… They will all perform well as long as you have Aiming and Circling.

And since it’s so hard for you to understand the purpose of this topic, let me explain it for you. The fact that there are Archer classes that are in a fine situation doesn’t justify that other classes remain forgotten. You can make a class tree rebalance just by fixing a few classes, you don’t need to rework the whole tree. Even some of the reworked classes in the Wizard tree had only one of their skills changed, so that could be done to Mergen, for example. But at least Hunter, Ranger, Wugushi, Scout and Fletcher need to be reworked or have their issues fixed.

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#32

Well of course you think Archer is fine. You’re a Falconer player and only knows about meme builds. You’re just the average arrogant player that only plays meme builds and thinks it’s above all people. But turns out you’re wrong in many things you say.

I’ll just point them out to expose your embarassment when you tried to sound smart.

Using an offending tone is all you have. I can only pity you at this point.

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#33

Ok dude i will put this in a way you can understand:

Good Archers Classes:

  • Qs
  • Falconer
  • Sr
  • Cannoner (so so)
  • Sr
  • Musketeer (after rework)

Bad archer classes:

  • Ranger C1-C3 (please open your eyes, no one plays ranger atm except for sr because they dont have more options)
  • Wugushi
  • Hunter
  • Scout
  • Rogue C3
  • Fletcher
  • Mergen C2 and in general Mergen without Falconer

Don’t you see majority of the tree needs some love and not just a couple?

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#34

“People dont record videos proving how bad a class is means that class is not bad” and “it doesnt happen to me/i dont play that class so the issue is not real/correct”.

You link a post listing AAR sources that includes a bunch of must-have expensive stuff for a build to be viable, just to prove that AAR is readily accessible for any type of player in this game. And in case you plan to play ignorant again, imma point it straight, Phada, Frieno and lv10 Centaurus cards aint affordable to casual players. Eww, just eww, seriously. I dont think anyone should waste their time when this guy himself doesnt want to understand a thing.

Now counter me with “if you are not rich to invest heavy funding/buy everything, why you play archer anyway”.

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#35

hey, no double queueing, you sneaky SR!!
putting debate aside, it is lovely to see so many archer lover in this thread beside me

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#36

Are u still playing scout c3? I would love to play it again

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#37

the 5 overheat of split arrow is killing my old playstyle. Remove the overheat and i will instantly reset to scout3 again. I even forget that i used to oblique shot all the enemies in dungeon 50. i missed good old days.
But i still hold the basic Idreamy build as a template for my archers build until now: A2R1Sc1rog1(+falc1 for r1-6)

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#39

Hmm im having a Scout 3 Falconer Mergen too. My Split arrow (lv50 attribute) is okay outside for doing Q and hunting collection, but it deals scratchy damage in dun so it doesnt come much into use. Flare shot is delicious against boss. I guess Scout 3 is a fun build, but its difficult to get serious even with funding. I just love the concept of a wild hunter in nature which Scout3 Mergen exactly fits in.

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#40

I love how you quote the 3 expensive sources of AAR ignoring 3 other sources in that thread that are cheap and readily affordable (squire alt, alchemist alt, vubbe gauntlet)

Cherry picking is all you can offer. Pathetic.

#41

Scout3 here,
If you really want to go scout3, make sure that you have enough aoe or dame from other ranks.
Bullet, SR, falcon or cannon or something else i dont know…
I really hope they will give back the no cd Split Shot, nobody want to go Scout3 because this, and do something with Bounce Shot and Spiral Shot for ranger.

p/s: Split still good too if you want to lure monsters or low-level-map.

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#42

summoning @Tiaaa as an expert scout3 player. Are you still playing?