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Where is the archer rework?

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#82

If you read this thread people specifically target AAR gear. Don’t play dumb.You don’t just need some AAR gear, you need A LOT. And that’s just so you can actually use their skills to hit more than 3 mobs. AAR is one of the rarest stats in the game, and the fact that you NEED it to play a functional Mergen is problematic.

Since you have trouble reading I’ll requote my own post in which I talk about why Mergen C2 is bad.

Mergen is not a popular class because of everything I said in my quote above, lmao. Fletcher 3 is bad but it has nothing to do with why Mergen is bad. In fact, no one in this thread has ever used that as a reason so I have no idea where you’re getting that from.

You think Mergen C2 would be so dead if it was such a good class as you claim? You don’t think there’s a reason why 100% (YES 100%) of archer meta builds include some combination of QS, Falconer, SR, and BM? You think QS, Falconer, SR, BM are popular because they’re bad? No. They’re popular because they’re strong, they synergism well with most other classes, and most of all they’re playable without a high start up ceiling. Yes, you need to invest into a class to deal good damage, that’s a given. But for Mergen you need to invest into the class just so you can play it. And i’m not talking about shelling out 20 mil for a good weapon. I’m talking about millions just for a rare stat gear that lets you hit more than 1-3 enemies. The fact that you need high-end expensive gear such as 3 lv10 Centarus Cards, AAR stat headgears, Gladiator bands, Phadas, Solimiki medals as a must-have to play Mergen is absurd. Anyone who thinks AAR is readily available without costing you an arm and a leg is delusional.

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#83

kek

#84

Why are many unable to reply in this starting 2018 without bringing that word to the table?

I’ve no words for this discussion, everyone knows that things have to happen, also, if you’ve been long enough, you’ll also realize very little feedback is taken from these written words. Atleast, try to be more nice to one another.

Surely we’re all able to disagree in a more civil manner?

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#85

and then you play mergen c2 and you realize none of the things you said are actual problems

#86

I have to agree that Spread shot could have been so good if it was not only buggy AF…

I hope IMC fixes Spread Shot soon too

#87

Easy. Koreans must be playing the game wrong

#88

mergen c2 could be the best circle in the game and it would still not be popular neither viable because the ranks below him sucks.
it is an archer tree problem, not a mergen c2 problem.

absolutely no freaking reason to pick anything but falconer c3 right now.

fix fletcher3/ ranger3 or wugushi3/sapper3 variants and mergen c2 will rise.

it’s a fitting in a build problem, not exactly a mergen c2 problem.

when rank 10 comes by and falconer c3+ mergen c2 starts destroying the world, you’ll see what i’m talking about.

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#89

It will destroy the World because of Falc3 honestly. Not because of Mergen2.

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#90

How about fal1 mergen3 at rank10 ???

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#91

I’m okay with people disagree with me, but if you’re gonna disagree with me with a snarky, condescending, sarcastic tone then I have no problems using demeaning words back and neither should the other party. I’m sure if you wanna pick out someone uncivil you got at least 5 other people in this thread to choose from. Don’t know why you’re cherry picking one word I used twice towards someone who came at me with a snarky condescending tone.

This isn’t a thread to convince or suggest ideas to IMC but more for fellow players to discuss their gripes with how IMC is handling the entire archer tree. That’s why it’s in general discussion, no? No one has that much faith in them lol.

I’m glad instead of discussing or arguing my point, you’re simply responding with petty one liners. I literally gave you a paragraph why Mergen C2 is underwhelming and so far the only thing you respond to is the least important point–mana issue l0l.

The reason why QS, SR, BM are so good is because not only do they wreck havoc on their own, but because they synergize well with other classes. Other classes compliment their abilities, and it’s not just ONE class, it’s multiple. QS pairs up with Rogue, Wugushi, Falconer, BM, Appraiser, etc etc. SR pairs up with Ranger, QS, BM, etc etc. Mergen does none of those. You’re only proving my point, that’s why Mergen is bad. It doesn’t work with any of the other classes because it can’t even support itself.

This sounds more like an argument of why Falconer C3 is good rather than why Mergen is. The fact that Mergen NEEDS Falconer to be good is quite sad.

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#92

I’m human, I’ve no time to look at everything, you were the last, I apologize if you feel selected, even then, you can choose to ignore.

This is a forum your life is not at stake, atleast write to not feel silly in the future, that applies to all of us.

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#93

You’re kind of right, but i still think merge needs some love. At least useful attributes, for example that one which enlarge the range for only basic attacks is garbage

#94

I don’t know what you’re trying to imply. It’s like I (or anyone) can’t even having a meaningful discussion about the game without someone assuming you’re mad, upset, or putting your whole life’s work into it. Writing a forum post doesn’t take very long, trust me. My life, nor anyone’s in this thread, is at stake. Nor do I believe anyone is actually upset or angry in this thread.

Maybe you prefer threads where everyone writes one sentence and tries to be funny, but I actually like to talk about things soooo :grimacing:

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#95

Glad to hear it.

I have choose what the response from someone is, I default to the worse posible thing unless it’s obvious it’s not.

I’m derailing for my own amusement, mainly because these topics turn into something real different as they go on.

#96

I… actually agree with you. Well, mostly. Saying that Mergen2 could be the best circle in the game is an exaggeration. I regret maxing Down Fall, it’s pure garbage. The damage is bad and it ticks slowly besides being single target. Jump Shot is okay as a filler skill. It deals decent damage when you manage to land 2 or more hits on the same target. But they’re R9 skills, Mergen2 deserved more than just an awesome attribute for Triple Arrow.

If Mergen players still have to be Falconer3 in R10 in order to be decent, then it’s still a failure. If only they made lower rank classes better for Mergen as you said… Wugushi took the nerf bat in “Renewal”, but it really pains me that it isn’t as bad as Fletcher. Fletcher used to be the king class against WB before R8 and could still be competitive until “Renewal” arrived. There’s literally no reason to pick Fletcher over other classes unless you like its concept (like me). I wish that some day they give Fletcher and Mergen a forced synergy like Cataphract and Lancer have, like an attribute that lets Mergen use special arrows to enhance its skills or something like that. Also, an Archer attribute that lets you use Fletcher skill in Kneeling Shot state.

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#97

At C2, max out your Mergen C1 skills. Triple Arrows, Homing and Spreadshot still hit like a truck. I have no AAR and have Sapper 3 in my circles. Still playable but IMC really need to show more love to the class in particular. The C2 skills are a waste of time. If possible, give it some PVP capabilities. Make it independent from Falcon.

#98

Imo Triple arrow is Mergen’s best skill, max it for sure. Homing arrow is okay, neither good nor bad. Spread shot is bad, buggy AOE and i find it ineffective compared to other skills. I actually like Downfall and use it a lot, i max Downfall and Jump shot on circle 2. To each their own :smile:

I agree that Mergen should be independent from Falcon. Most of the popular archer builds in kToS contain Falconer3 and only Falconer3, thats a sad fact. Even when people say “Falconer3 Mergen1 is fine af what are you complaining about” but i can only see they go Mergen1 to maintain high main-hand damage for hawk attack, not because Mergen is a good part of the build.

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#99

Yes Spreadshot is buggy. But that’s the skill that kills instantly when hit in TBL. Arrow drop is too slow for my liking. IIRC, it has 2 overheats. So 20 hits in total. If I spam both my overheats, the counter resets during 2nd cast. Jumpshot is difficult to aim so that everyone in the line receives full damage. Actually Spreadshot is easier to use than Jumpshot for me. But I think we all unanimously agree that Mergen needs some attention, at least for 2Hand Bow lovers XD

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#100

I’ve always played Rogue C3 just to troll people on TBL with burrow(when your class choice is so obscure people think you’re cheating because they don’t know how it works).

Now it’s in such a sad state that i’m thinking on getting just 1 point or completely remove it for freaking max feint/Capture.

#101

I do agree with you, i just wanted to express my opinion after yours
as I feel Mergen is just a clear show of how imc isn’t able to balance this game.

Archers in general are tied to the role of damage dealer with no real support skills or utilities like other trees (anyone convince me Hunter and Appraiser are really useful)

The sad part in all of this is that skills in the archer tree are taken just to deal the maximum damage possible.

Downfall and jump shot from Mergen 2 are just skipped most of the time because they just deal mediocre no AoE damage. They do not have anything else worth taking: no bonus damage vs some enemies, the do not give a buff to you or anything, they do not apply a debuff on the enemy.
The only relevant point in Mergen 2 is the triple arrows attribute, that is a plain damage increase after all, and more points in triple and aiming arrows.

(Speaking of PvE)

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