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Where is the archer rework?

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#152

I’ve mained an acher since day 1 and I don’t think the class is weak per se, it’s just that they made clerics too strong. And blocking man, blocking is ridiculous in this game. No single tree should have damage AND heal AND retardedly high HP AND buffs AND debuffs AND block AND immunity AND rez. Like, you go to TBL and you have to fight those full CON clerics, and you have to deal 100k+ damage while bypassing block and immunities AND you have to do this before he heals himself and before he kills you, except you can’t avoid any of his attacks while he can just stand there and nullify yours, and you don’t have heal and you also can’t go full CON so your HP isn’t nearly as high as his. This is what needs fixing IMO.

The first thing I’d change is the way blocking works. Maybe limmit the number of classes that can equip shields, or put a 20% hard cap on block rate for anyone who ins’t a pelasta/rodelero/murmillo. Or better yet change the effect of block from nullification to just damage reduction. And for the love of God CON (or any stat for that matter) should NEVER increase HP and block rate at the same time, this is beyond stupid.

Next I’d change the way immunities work. Like, I understand why things like this exist, otherwise archers would just murder everybody from half the screen away in pvp. But at the same time no one should be able to just use one buff/immunity and say “■■■■ you, roll out of archer”. I don’t even know how I’d fix this but the very least I’d add a visual cue so you don’t waste your cooldowns when they have shields up. I’d also lower the duration and increase the cooldowns of all immunity type buffs.

Also, make Leather great again. Leather used to give you some survivability because of evasion, but it’s just plain useless now after the rework. You get the worst def stats out of Plate and Cloth with nothing show for it. Either give us back the crazy high evasion or give us a high enough crit rate buff that makes up for the low def, so at least you are a glass cannon.

There are a few more things that bother me in this game but just these changes would make archers much more viable IMO.

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#153

Right now there are just too many things to consider when building an Archer, it’s deterring many players from coming back or playing this class. You need to have enough evasion, block pen, accuracy, hp, just enough mdef and pdef to not get one shot by other players. In a random tbl match up you face different opponents with different builds, not having the right mix and amount of stats mentioned above means you are immediately handicapped. If you focus too much on a particular stat, it means you sacrifice another and your overall build is lob sided. Life is certainly tough as an Archer in this game.

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#154

İ have 820 Dex 140 Str but i never pass full con cleric/wiz’s block rate…Now they got 3x block from shields :slight_smile: THİS İS SHİAATTT

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#155

I believe 820 dex should get you at least 550 block pen? Surely you can hit some of them.

#156

With autos yea i can hit some , i speak about my burst skills…

375 Con about 355 block, with con stuff (800+con easly to get) and shield (with xx blue gem) think about again :slight_smile:

#157

i have about 550 bockpen with about 300 dex+equip and still hit 50/50 on fullcon guys. I think ur doing something wrong :whitepopo:

#158

You probably never met real full con guys. I have about 500 block pen (over 300dex too) and I never hit these guys, like 60-70% blocked. Try to kill a man that block 70% of you hit multi hit attack or big burst (fencer here), has over 100k hp (can reach 300-400k with kabba3) and full heal everytime if you dont os or cc him forever. Not even mentioning that these guy can also deal dmg (sometimes even more than you do).

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#159

There are to many ways to get Block.
Blue gems in Shield x3/Con+ Random stats on gear.

The only way to get Block pen is dex or 1 gem in the Gauntlets.

Beside that if hes a full Con magic user he will hit you with every hit.

As Physical cls you need Dex/Str to even hit the enemy >,>

#160

You can get it from random stats on gear too

But they cant crit

You dont really need STR if everyone is full con do you :sweat_smile:

I agree CON and all the block is cancer though
Block should mitigate damage not completely block it to 0

#161

Not sure if Sarcasm.
You gain absolutely zero out of critical hits cause either you don’t crit in first place or the hit gets blocked/dodged. Not to mention that most Skill% are so high that they don’t need to crit anyway.

Going full dex to get through block turns you into a super squishy target (and it’s likely not enough cause of the mentioned Gems). Meanwhile a Cleric/Wiz can run around as HP Monster while doing damage that is unavoidable by default.

#162

IMC really need to implement magic evasion, and add accuracy stat to int as well.
it’s bs that magic caster can’t miss their magic.

pretty much kill archer as an evasion class.

#163

Maybe up your critrate?
I get critted plenty in pvp if the hits go through

don’t need to crit anyways.

I dont think anyone would say no to doing 1.5x more damage

#164

Is it that hard to change running shot duration to 300 sec ?
They are great

#165

Don’t get me wrong crits are nice. But after all it’s only a CHANCE to Crit. You need to stack up plenty of Crit Rate to get like 40-60% Crit chance (around 500-800 difference from enemy Res). Meanwhile you only need around 100-200 Block-BlockPen difference to create around 30% Block chance.

And then some wizard walks up to you and greets you with a one (or sometimes two) shot by pressing the Shadowthorn button.

#166

Yes block is broken, not magic

Being unable to crit is a fine tradeoff for not needing accuracy/blockpen
They need to work on nerfing block instead of fuc.king over magic users

Shadowthorn is getting nerfed anyways in pvp

#167

I would gladly accept a passive that removes my chance to crit but makes my hits always pass trough block/evasion :stuck_out_tongue:

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#168

play a wizard then :prince:

#169

Thats a good answer ! This is real…

#170

I’m on 582 block pen. So far on average my burst skills hit 50% of the time. And I have rouge sapper in my circles. I haven’t seen my punji miss. Maybe I got better rng XD

#171

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