Are you sure it’s “meta” and not just one well-equipped guy with skilled teammates reaching the top -> everyone mimicking? I think I’ve seen that run. Sw1-HL2-Barb2-Doppel2, spamming Skyliner like no tomorrow. No pelt is not surprising, tho I’m quite sure that bonus HP would’ve come handy.
Btw, don’t forget that they’ve only recently received highlander nerf (overcharges on Skyliner). Isn’t Fencer with Circling and Sw3 or Minotaur Cards gonna be best now?
I really want minotaur cards, but at this moment is impossible get 1.
Or there is some minotaur boss(not lv30 quest)?
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Do be fair a full STR swordie wind be doing much in those places either
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Cosair comrade i am c2 cosair … thinking getting dopp but my character will became half a.ss character with no c3 …
What you feel about dwa
( it is awesome in my opinion but alone its su.ck bigtime 1 skill point spended only increases the duration by 2 … also no attributes can only be appreciated when you have cafrisun set and chaplain buff and pyro buff ) 2 sta pet use … botton smash ( well you can hold c while smashing z well they can make it no need to hold c just hold z ) to make this skill worse if you compare it to running shot ( 1 points is enough even if i want it up all the time)
Hows pistol shot now it will have 2 overheat …
Hows jolly level 15 … compare to 10
And the hook is it even useful in pve ?
Yeah agree …
str can focus on running like a monkey (vs phy) … then burst damage like a boss (repeat)
While
Dex can stand like a boss while doing sustainable damage … then if we get hit … ( lol where is your RNGesus dodge now )
For magical mobs both can run like a sissy we are ( 15 magical mobs ff you )
( maybe the reason why dex build su.ck on opening cube we already pray too much on dodging)
ET is good for hard.core player with friends … FRIENDS who need them anyway ( tree of solo )
You cant even share it with your alts the item you will get ( you cant share it right cant be trade? )
Pistol Shot is good due to wide hitbox, will be even better.
Jolly is either 15 or 2. I prefer 2.
Hook can be used to tie up high-damage mobs (mages). I use it when soloing.
I never used DWA, and, frankly, I don’t feel the need to.
This is offtopic.
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I just created new swordie and planning to get highlander c2 with lvl 10 crossguard, but i was hoping it would be high dex build. is it worth it despite HL are recommended to be str build?
Edit:
oh and im going for fencer so i only use crossguard in pvp
If you plan to utilizes Crossguard, then you basically want to go Str.
Outside of Fencer’s skill, normally evasion are checked first before block, so high Dex swordsman will likely be wasting crossguard’s block rate.
Also crossguard gain more blockrate with Str, so you can get away with less level in it.
thx for the info, i was hoping having dodge for tanking if im the only swordie in the party. its a hustle if i have to switch just to block and switch again for fencer skill attacks.
oh wait i don’t need to switch while tanking lol. il just use available skills
Hmm lets crunch some numbers, numbers solve everything. Class and skill of choice is the Shinobi’s Kunai x2, Clone x5 and spear lunge (with and without crits) for the sake of it we will assume clones all crit as well when calculating with crits, no other buffs other then spear lunge and finistra lvl 15 (+150 crit rate).
(damage is rounded up)
(Based on stat calculator max str is 585, max dex is 363)
(Max str gives you +579 crit attack, weight limit increase, Max dex gives you +357 crit rate, +357 evasion and accuracy)
Full Str Shinobi with crit: 790k damage
Full Str Shinobi without crit: 472k damage
(Chances of crit are low but finistra would make up for lost dex)
Full Dex Shinobi with crit: 560k damage
Full Dex Shinobi without crit: 335k damage
(643 Evasion, High crit rate with fin but losing 120k - 310k in dmg)
My suggestion is simple, go hybrid: Add 137 to str, 42 to con, 100 to dex. This would end up having the following:
Hybrid Shinobi with crit: 670k damage
Hybrid Shinobi without crit: 400k damage
283 crit attack, 178 crit rate (including 150 from finistra), +122 evasion and accuracy, added hp recovery, crit resistance and hp for survival.
TL:TR Go hybrid, or High str low dex, hoptile increases your crit chance. No matter what sword path you take i believe ALL your skills are largely influenced by Str.
(Edit, forgot to x5 on dex calculation, corrected)
no hate for dex swordies lol i am dex … ( i regret putting 50 str )
as i said
str run around like a MONKEY then BURST damage like a boss ( repeat )
dex can STAND LIKE A BOSS while doing sustainable damage … ( them if WE get hit )
For magical mobs BOTH can run like a sissy we are ( 15 magical mobs FF you ) ( magic does not matter if your str con int spr dex you will get hit )
dex is ping friendly … no pressure when sudden fps or ping increase
( except if it magical mobs WE are DEAD )
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i m not full DEX swordsman
but 50 CON, rest DEX swordsman
and i m loving my swordsman
it is very enjoying when i see my fellow STR Doppelsoeldner running left and right dodging boss attack, while i just stand there keep attacking the boss
i might do less damage if the boss is very passive or slow attacking
but at those boss who can spam skill like no CD, i actually out DPS my fellow swordsman teammate, even i m using white mainhand
and ya, i know a lot of ppl say Magic cant be dodge, same applied to STR swordsman, but at least i could dodge physical mob and boss, without running like a monkey
my first character is a high STR low DEX hoplite, and i dont enjoy abit, it hit harder, but the mob hit me every single attack, i have to constantly sit bonfire or take potion like an alcoholic
there are few issues making me fall to DEX
Mind actually showing the full calculation? Because that level of difference feels a little BS to me.
@rofldat @Ewanco, you two made me wonder a thing.
Does Crossguard/C-Blocking take priority over dodge?
We all know how C-Bloquing (specially from a Peltasta) works at this point with it’s multiplier (well, kinda, I don’t remember the calculation right now admitedly), and in the case of Crossguard it gains a lot of block at higuer levels due to it ‘‘Levelx3’’ multiplier (You need A LOT of STR for it to actually make a big difference, specially at high levels).
We know Flanconnade takes priority, so this should prove an intereting thing to test I’d say.
Edit: Preparation too, I guess, but that’s a nice sheer % chance.
Corrected. To do the calculation you need to take basic hit with kunai, for full dex it’s = 2776 x spear lunge (2) x hits of kunai (5) x clone + you (6) x count overheat (2). So 2791 x 2 x 5 x 6 x 2 = 334920 = 335k, to get crit multiply by 1.67 = 559316 = 560k. (some say the crit formula is 1.5 but somehow my calculations are 1.5 - 1.8 since skill damage varies its hard to make sure so 1.67 seems good to go for calculation purpose)