As a fellow Shinobi but high dex, I’m wondering how you’re faring in PVP as high STR. Do you miss often against archers?
I haven’t had a miss as of yet but that could be because i don’t aim them much, most of the time i’m hooking and my team finishes them, if I’m not hooking I’m rushing in with bashes, kunai, skull swings (disables jump), devil dust, wheel wagon or crossguarding archers freezing them in place (i’m the anti range, crossguard to immobolize followed by a hook, while still having crossguard on). I haven’t tried miji and katon. Moku is terrible, saw a poor shinobi flying to a fry in the midst of 5 enemies to be taken out first lol.
Hop-Sair-Fencer here and reporting, yes, we do exist.
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I’m PvPing with that 15 dex invested. I do miss but first - my sissels proc, second - they are not knocked back from hook by stride cuz it misses xDDD And hexen just has too many hits, some always land.
I have to say tho, in case of proper DEX-CON builds I do expect to have problems. Still, my Hexen damage is through the roof as always and I’m not sure it would’ve been this way with dex instead of str. And it will get even better once no block penetr from str bug will be fixed.
again… you completely missed the point it was a 24 lvl above boss, and OHK is for all members of my party including the other swordman. I died the least.
your full CON facetanking is just stand there swash and press C, I don’t know what’s so fun about doing that all day… lvl 200 with 50k+ HP with auto attack under 100 and skill dmg under 1000… and surviving by holding guard mode.
I don’t know why is it so hard to explain… I try the simplest in 3 sentences
full CON doesn’t contribute in damage against bosses, even in Siaulai,
full - high STR MUST DODGE manually, failure to do that means DEAD, dodging means moving away losing a hit
High DEX can tank WHILE dissing damage with RISK
Anyone who played High DEX would know this, there is a chance DODGE would proc making you survive against 1 hit kill boss
In the end, you are trying to disprove what? your STR built is better? Full CON is better?
and what’s newbie friendly has got to do with all this?
DEX is not easy to achieve for Sword, there isn’t any inherent DEX bonus and equipment with high DEX are rare, I am sure plenty who goes DEX still runs around with Rokas leather armor because there aren’t any replacement.
don’t contribute much in anything then (PVE, PVP, WB)
@Stormrider @haukinyau you guys are more senior than me, I learn from you. So if you guys say this is true, then I take your words
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I already invested good amount of points in str on early ranks and my stats are now sitting at lvl231 155str/60con/4int/20spr/173dex(and this is now a fencer>dopp), pretty well rounded and not so great yes but I am planning pumping full dex now, not great compared to full stat built, but have reliable damage thru proper rotation of my tool skills.
And you just described ASPD agi knights of good old Ro, fun to play with, very impractical in most situations, an the sad thing, here in ToS, the only way for SW to get aspd boost is either from Chronos or DOV
Dude you said in a situation where 3 swordies facetank who would survive, why are you butt hurt that the full con who isnt doing crap would survive the longest? is this statement false? even if he isnt doing crap damage and taking the glory.
Full con doesnt contribute to anything but tanking.
Taken from your senior…serve no specific purpose.
High/ Full Str contributes in damage but people would prefer Wiz and archers more.
Also i have mentioned countless times this is MY opinion and in which class it holds truth to more.
I am giving my opinion based on my experience with the class. Dex doesnt do well with Shinobi/ Corsair C2 and up builds.
I have also mentioned i believe dex to be good in certain builds. But here you are turning a blind eye just to rant more lol.
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HOWEVER (noticed it’s capslocked) some class may perform better with dex until proven otherwise (i say this because i haven’t played all swordsman style so i cant slam all dex swordies) such as fencers who i’v noticed talking mostly about dex being the primary stat.
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Edit to include this: Dex IS Newbie friendly. You don’t have to kite and move around, as you mentioned stand there and hit with less risk then a STR…Are you going to tell me STR is newbie friendly? have i insulted you in some way i am not aware of
I am done, every post you change the subject and deliberately miss crucial points
the 3 sword situation it was survive AND diss damage, you don’t understand any of my posts. whatever… I am done
I listen to @haukinyau alright, yaaayyy
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STR = Guts
DEX = Kirito
Choose who would you prefer. huehuehue
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With 2 glad bands and 3 decent pattack and high crit attack HGs along with just level 6 crit gems, + 8 venier, and karacha.
With 2 sissels, and same everything else. Crit rate, crit attack, and p-attack adjusted according from glad bands to sissel.
All test assuming armor break (attaque coquille)
This is before str bonus buff.
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Althou I can’t argue between the comparison of those two, it’s still a given that Kirito was and still a str>dex build in all games he jumped into.
Only at early levels for overkill’s exp bonuses, I mean I had a full on str build on my pelt(SB mob hold block they stagger>umboblow>overkill) and it’ll lessen some small time in early level grind, and highlanders have it good popping overkills easy with 2handers in their road to r3.
The only thing I get from those numbers is SW has REALLY painfully bad endgame skill modifiers that shits on us, be it a full str build or full dex build it’ll make very little difference.
True true and I have a bad feeling they’ll fk up r8 skill damages.
Edit: that’s an old spreadsheet b4 the str bonus on swordies but yeah…
Overkill doesn’t give exp bonus anymore, in fact it doesn’t actually do anything except counting towards the achievement.
If you’re talking about full DEX with no STR at all then maybe that’s true. I can only speak about Shinobi regarding this; I went with high DEX but my STR ends up being close thanks to bonus (200:225 with no gear). Can’t say for the 280 WB yet but I do good with anything below. High chance getting cube solo with lots of peeps, never failed with a team. Dodge helps a lot with mission bosses too, allowing me to maintain DPS with clones out instead of taking every hit full on with 5x extra damage.
For TBL the accuracy is nice. If an Archer gets within range they’re dead because you won’t be missing. For clerics and swordies, my clones can clean them up. Only problem are wizzies, same problems if you went full STR.
All that might only ring true for Shinobi though since you’ll have many tools to overcome the lower STR. For say a Doppel or Dragoon, high STR just seems to bring more to the table on paper which is what I’m doing on a new Doppel. For Fencers high DEX still seems better, especially after seeing the preview for Fencer3.
All in all, I think saying DEX is near useless for all swordsman is misleading. It depends on your goals and class choice when determining which direction will be most efficient for you. Also nothing wrong with straying from the norm if all you’re after is some casual, noncompetitive fun.
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Lets just agree to disagree since we both feel this way :). You gave your opinion i gave mine, neither is wrong or right, we both have our own way that is working for us. And with this i just want to say i never ment to offend or insult you and i know you ment the same. We both ment to help the swordsman community but in our own way :D.
Wait Clones actually hit ? i thought they were still bugged ? lol i haven’t been using them.
200 dex to 225 str? kindda got me confused here. Did you mean plus gear your build is more towards higher dex? (p.s. my reference to high is 4 or 3:1 and full being 5 : 0 )
Clones don’t work in duels but they’re fine in TBL. As for my stats it’s 200 STR 225 DEX roughly 1:2 ratio (points invested) which falls under the high DEX build category. I know that STR build ratios tend to be higher because of the bonus. The rest of my points go to CON. I enjoy playing the build as it covers all aspects of the game quite well, minus maybe ET.