WICH ONE IS BETTER FOR A FULL DEX SHINOBI CORSAIR?
I vote Venom. With AA from DWA you’ll proc Venom enough.
I vote Karacha, because:
- +11 Dex, you’re a Dex build
- Karacha +61 attack on medium type (pvp)
- Venom -117 attack on plate armor (pvp)
- 2% chance to do poison for 616 per second, average (divide by the chance) is only 12.32 damage per second
Just my opinion.
6165 do the math again
6165 over 10 seconds => 616 per second?
Venom if more PvE, Karacha if more PvP.
Honestly I’d go with Venom straight because Con means Magic won’t bitch slap you into the next realm, but if PvP then Karacha would give you better damage.
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yeah like that 
But that’s what I did in the first place…
Anyway, don’t mind that part, it’s not like you’ll be using dagger to attack every second anyway.
616 dps IF the effect procs 100% of the time. Calculating dps of chance-based effects goes a little differently.
163 Kara Phys Atk (150 + 176 = 326 / 2 = 163)
139 Venom Phys Atk (128 + 150 = 278 / 2 = 139)
163 - 139 = 24
24 + Phys Atk Kara
36 + Crit Atk Kara (24*1.5=36)
178 Venom Psn
153 Kara Fire
178 - 153 = 25
25 + Prop Atk Venom
11 dex Kara
14 con Venom
14 - 11 = 3
3 + Stats Venom
24 (Kara Phys Atk) - 25 (Venom Prop Atk) = -1 Kara non-crit
36 (Kara Crit Atk) - 25 (Venom Prop Atk) = +11 Kara crit
Assuming the +3 Stats on venom go into strength (I realize you said full dex however I’m assuming you don’t mean FULL 100% dex, since you’ll hit soft crit cap long before you spend the 320 pts in dex)
+3 Phys atk (+4.5 Crit atk)
+3 Crit atk
-1 (Kara non-crit) - 3 (Stat diff) = -4 Kara non-crit
11 (Kara crit) - 7.5 (3+4.5) = +3.5 Kara crit
Not sure if you can follow that sloppy math above but essentially, before the +/- type and the venom proc, they’re actually like, equal. Karacha being ever so slightly better (by like 0.05% dps or something).
Now obviously, without even throwing any kind of silly numbers or sloppy math at you I can tell you since their base damage is so close, Karacha is most definitely no matter how you look at it, stronger than Venom against both medium type targets and plate type targets.
That being said, and since everything else about the two items nearly balance out, I can also tell you that due to the proc, venom will be stronger in prolonged fights against small, large, and extra-large NON-PLATE targets.
The truth is, due to their specialties, you may want to consider getting both and switching based on what you’re fighting.
If you had to pick one, I would likely go with Karacha, only because it doesn’t have any direct damage-based drawbacks.
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That’s why I averaged it to 12 per sec
Proc math:
6165 / 50 = 123.3
That is 123.3 added damage per ATTACK, not second.
With a proc rate of 2% you can assume that it likely will not proc again in the 10 seconds it takes for the previous proc to expire.
Therefore calculating dps of the poison does not particularly matter.
Of course, due to law of large numbers, the procs will occasionally happen several times in a row and then other times not proc for like 20 minutes straight. It’s bound to happen eventually if he uses Venom for hundreds/thousands of hours of game play.
That being calculated, this proc, due to it’s low chance, is not reliable damage by any means.
If 10 minute boss fights are ever a thing in this game, this proc would likely put Venom ahead of Karacha, however due to the majority of endgame being AoE damage on relatively low health monsters, and most valuable world bosses are heavily farmed and rarely last more than a minute or two, this proc is not a reliable source of sustained dps.
Yeah, 6165 might seem like decent number, but with 2% chance and 10 seconds, it’s not that great.
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My +3 Stats Venom statement is assuming that you would simply re-allocate the points in Con that you get from Venom into Dex or Strength.
I am assuming, despite saying full dex, you will likely end up with SOME constitution and SOME strength. If that is the case, the +3 Stats Venom statement stands, as you can simply call stats “stats” and spend the ones gained from leveling slightly different.
However if you did literally mean FULL dex and do plan on going 100% of your points in dex and basically try to see how much crit rate and evasion you could possibly get, then I suppose that would make Karacha even better than my first post suggests.
Although, like I said, as long as you’re not already 280 and/or don’t have a stat reset potion, you have to simply look at it as Venom has 3 more stats than Karacha.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m definitely agreeing with you. But I’m going to slightly correct you and reiterate that the “over 10 seconds” part is near-negligible due to the low proc rate. You simply have to view it as a 2% chance to gain 6165 damage. There’s no reason to factor in the “over 10 seconds” part.
it depends how often you attack with your offhand, the more you do the better venom will be.
Yes, I realized. That reply wasn’t for you.
Just my conclusion.
Also you are right about the 10 seconds part.
It will proc only from offhand atk? Confirm?
Actually for a FULL DEX that actually dumps 100% of points into DEX, Venom is more attractive. Really, 14 CON is more attractive than 11 DEX for any build, but for monostat in particular because of how stat point allocation works; the more points you put in a stat, the more each allocated point counts, so you get a bonus point starting at every 5 points and eventually becoming 2 points for every point invested. So the opportunity cost of putting 14 points in CON might actually be 28 points of DEX, so you would find it much more appealing to get your CON from gear instead of stat points.
I suppose you’re right, yeah, but we kind of need more information from him before we decide for him the actual weight of each stat. Even “Full X” builds should have a somewhat healthy spread of stats.
He may have said FULL dex and actually meant something a little more like 1:1:4 or 2:1:6 or so. (str:con:dex, if that wasn’t obvious)
That being said I can’t contest your point, it’s a good one, but with the information given I was just assuming a value of 1:1 for the stats on both daggers, which as you pointed out isn’t exactly accurate, but is the safest assignment.
Even still the rest of my math is accurate and if he strictly wants to choose only one of the two I would still likely recommend Karacha due to the reliability of it’s damage, even though Venom may be able to pull out slightly higher sustained in long duration combat.