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Useless Mergen - Useless DPS class

I have 315 orange weapon with trans 7. I ran with a Solmiki group and almost everyday, this is what I’m told:

I’m useless and there’s no point to play Mergen because I get outdamaged by a Pyro with only Trans 6.

I’m useless and there’s no point to play Mergen because I get outdamaged by a diev3/pd2 that also brings Ausrine and heals to the table.

Reality of TOS.

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Dragoon used to be sh!t at C1, but I understand where you’re coming. Even my HopGoon gets outdamaged by a PyroAlche.

Future “balances” may still include introducing more items like Agny. It’s IMC for ya.

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Yeah, but when you’re suppose to be a DPS class but gets outdpsed by a support class… that’s rough.

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Out of curiosity, is that fixed team or random team everyday?

I knew little to nothing about archer. But from what I know, it seems that they only accept SR 3 for archer.
Out side of that is… well if they can accept your build and they can somehow work around with your weakness…

back when R8 is not released yet, we have scout linker 2 on team and abuse our spiritual chain + cloaking. But they are gone now *sigh :sweat:

Was a fixed team. I was taking the spot of a banned SR3 for Practonium abuse. He is unbanned and took his spot back.

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If it’s an in-guild team, you need to find a better guild man, at least with people who understands.

When I was still playing, my guildies even allowed me to bring my non-attributed QS3 Falcon to ET.

I haven’t experienced Solmiki though so maybe the options are more limited for Archers or Swordies.

I guess you could say that Agny “changed the meta”.

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Can’t really blame them. Solmiki takes almost an hour per run if you go up to 35f so that’s nearly 2 hours a day. Why would you take a DPS class that can’t out damage a support class when you can just take another Pyro or PD2 or SR3 to speed it up?

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Triple Pyro runs are the new Solmiki meta! :smiley:

If you don’t ran solmiki (with them), you wont feel useless *pointing-at-head meme
But seriously even if your DPS is lower than them you still contribute sumthing in party play (better than AFK), so change your point of view. In solmiki we are helping each other, not DPS racing like worldbossing.

wow amazing! you mean you can really enter an instance?

maybe you should try to make your own party? is it possible to design a party optimized for mergen or would it require too many slots?

falco3 + necro would help, I dunno how much.

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The point is: Mergen practically cries for Falconer C3 to be a good damagedealer because then there’s a high chance that each of hits AoE hits spread their damage to nearby targets via Circling attribute (Falconer C3 only).

Otherwise Mergen is currently not that good because although his basedamage is medium-high tier, he’s bound to two-handed bows (no pistol/shield) and the CD times of his skills are too high to be viable currently.


Btw, PD and Pyro are only good because of Agny Necklace, so no point arguing here. I’m always reminded of that fact when I run Siaulai and there are tons of random PD/Pyro builds snatching the first 2-3 places in boss ranking.

Be happy that you’re not as useless as Kabbalist C2, noone takes that guy into ET unless he’s a bot for Ausrine,Melstis and/or Priest buffs+Ressurection.

ET is broken from the beginning and because the population is decreasing, people will become even more discriminating against certain builds/classes since they want 100% success rate and spend less time on that 1 in several things to do every day (cards/practonium quest/saalus e.g.).

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Sad reality. /20fireballs

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Yup, that’s always happening if two factors come together:

1st: the devs f*&k up the balancing of items/Classes/skills and
2nd: the population is dropping and the game becomes power-creep for the RMTers/whales and/or p2win

Had to experience this a lot in Dragon Nest from 40-80 cap where everything was turned upside down with every class balancing, making you switch your character to gear anew one just to run new content with a party. Non-top tier DPS and non-top gear got you kicked out of 80% of the parties that were viable for clearing the content, and the other parties…
well, people died like flies and couldn’t even scratch the monsters.

That game is a good example where power creep and P2win go and how extreme this can become. Currently, if you got the best costume equipment (cash only, with RNG involved), you are 2 times as useful as a non-casher(meaning that every powerful equip has 2 times the value of a casual player). If this continues, the hard player base will be nothing more than whales/RMTers and the casuals will just come, level to cap and realize that they can do nothing -> quit the game.

At least the skills and values got reworked for the base classes, so they can deal some decent damage even with cheaper equip, but that’s about it.
No cash equip and no FD make you really bad in contrast to others.

I just hope this won’t happen to TOS as well, because with the current rebalancing and lack of “end-game” gear that doesn’t require you to farm with alts and/or do endgame content like ET, resulting in even more distress because of time loss and more and more discrimination against Classes/builds, I don’t see a way out of this spiral downwards.

Hunting Grounds seem like a good approach, but we won’t get them anytime soon, and the equip is outdated. We need lvl 280+ equip, not some level 75-220 equip to not go crazy over ET farming/Practonium cube rerolling/daily Saalus runs…

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I pretty need the armor with 4 sockets or the blade with 130 fire damage and 3 sockets :innocent:

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You somehow comparing class combinations (Pyro comes with Linker/Thau and Diev3/Pd2 is also 5 rank combi) with one class: Mergen.

What are you other Ranks? Do they fit to Mergen ?

hmm? diev miko pd isn’t a build that has a lot of synergy, it’s good because it has a lot of utility and damage, a2r1sc1f2falc1mergen has more synergy than that. Increase mergen’s damage, reduce cds and give fletcher utility and it’ll be just as good.

Agny is what makes pyro and pd broken, even without linker pyro is good.

My point is that Mergen standalone is crap, even with Falc1.

You actually would need Falc3 for full potential (Circling+Aiming, which isnt possible with R8… ;)). If you have Falc1+Mergen, you putting your AoEs on 30 sec CD, which hardly can be considered as good DPS and of course, Pyro, with its 4-6 skills will OutDPS you (Remidner, Fireball is sitting on 15 sec cooldown only; same as Joint PEnalty and Hangmans).

Mergen skills, if you render 'em, are ST bursts. Triple Arrow 2x3 Hits instant with a high base, Hominh Arrow is 2x5 hits almost instant and Arrow Rain, which is also instant is dealing fuckton of ST damage.

The main reason, why Fletcher3/Mergen is so good is, that you have spammable skills during Mergens CDs (Crossfire, MAgic Arrow, Broadhead), which ensures that you are one of the Top3 dealer at Single Target. (Fencer, CataGoon and Fletcher)

If you want an AoE dealer, simply go SR3 (or Elelock), because Mergen is then the wrong char.

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Wait? so this was all a lie? :open_mouth:

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still waiting for the warlock 50k auto attack from Drain

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Dont need the bugging Falcon and mediocre AoE Class (Mergen)

Like is said, just take SR3 :stuck_out_tongue: