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Unofficial Rogue Nerf Megathread + Class Discussion

9 seconds, 2 overheat for 30k dmg(45k on leather) isn’t bad at all.

It stuns often,it “always” crits.

Remember,all other op archer skills are Missile damage,so backstab has potential to surpass even Snipe, you just need a party for it.

---->Burrow
Imagine if Snipe stays at Musketeer rank 1,or if Rank 8 archer class gets something even more op than Musketeer damage wise. That+Burrow will be game changer.

That’s only when using Karacha that it reaches decent damage tier. Why would I not find that underwhelming? I know, it’s decent but decent isn’t enough. Karacha is extremely hard to get by, you don’t know how much time I invested on farming just to buy the xbow recipe and how much hours I put on hunting the dagger recipe as well as the mats, it took almost a week with hardcore gaming. Let’s also not forget that my current Backstab is 40% attribute already which cost me tons of silvers.

Considering everything I did to boost backstab damage just to reach “decent” damage tier, it’s really disappointing.

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I don’t disagree that it should be reworked,it’s just not garbage. I also had all the difficult you had to get my Karacha set aswell.

Keep in mind Monk is in a very similar position to Rogue and they made a kinda irresponsible buff to them(Give Strike damage bonus debuffs up the wazoo).

Problem is,you can’t count on class balance isolated from others, that’s not how it works.

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First, I didn’t say it’s garbage, I just found it underwhelming considering how much investment I did to boost up it’s damage.

I get what you mean about class balancing while considering what other classes has to offer but take a look at Ranger+Rogue. You can have them both at C1 but you can create a powerful combo from Feint and Barrage, you don’t even need help from others.

Backstab is the signature damaging skill of Rogue. We all know that considering it’s mechanics and nature, it should do amazing burst damage WHICH isn’t the case sadly.

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At the same time, mages facerolling the game. When you see this, backstab, atm, is GARBAGE.

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I don’t even know how IMC wants to design end-game contents :confused:

Honestly, I was expecting it to have few elite huge mobs or a boss with alot of mechanics. In the end, they just made tons of mob spawns and call it end-game content.

P.S. I know there are bosses on Earth Tower. But those bosses usually just gets facerolled by overpowered classes for bossing like Wiz3 > Pyro1 > Cryo1 > Psycho1 > Rune Caster 1.

Idk what you were expecting, backstab to deal a nuke shockwave that destroys everything or something?

I don’t think that’s really the issue though. It’s about Earth Tower favoring AOE classes too much where single-target DPS almost has no chance to shine.

Not the skill by itself.

But with a nice atribute (massive bleed sucks) + a specific set (was nerfed lol) that should be = huge single target damage.

Even a LvL 5 flare shot from scout do more damage than a Max atribute massive bleed from a LvL 15 backstab.

Again, Backstab isn’t Missile type,it has potential to do what you want.

It’s pierce type and there’s considerable amount of enemy that uses cloth armor. Missile’s penalty is almost completely removed by +10 weapons. From what I see, missile is even the better type of damage due to versatility.

two lvl one critical shots do the same damage, cost the same or even less mana, don’t have cooldown, don’t need bleed and have no charge up time.

So how can vendettas damage be fine? xD

I mean bonus to a damage type,like Spear Lunge,Lethargy,etc…

Maybe give Feint that kind of debuff aswell.<- Extra damage from Pierce type.

P.S: Featherfoot has a debuff that gives bonus to missile type, OP Archer classes BFF =(

Vendetta gives you 50/75 STR.
its a buff skill, its not a rotation skill.
Why are u even comparing?

i was just refering to damage. i know it is also a buff, but a buff that you only get if you kill the enemy, which gets harder the lesser damage it does. especially in group play.

I use broadhead arrow with it and its very easy to get the buff off.

And even if you manage to land it, it lasts only 10+skilllvl*2 seconds…
How could this thing be deemed “usable” ?

What? the buff lasts for 30 seconds at 10/10.

full dex build ?:open_mouth:

Full STR with some con enough to not get OHKO’d