Mindy, is that you??
Nvm, Itās one of his clones. Anywayā¦ One Mindy clone down, 200 more to go!
Keep up the good work, IMC!
then that means you understand english since you chose to play the english version of the game. there must be few people above 8 years old that doesnāt understand english.
Itās different in fields where you are hunting. youāre eyes is mostly focused on the screen and you will most likely see if someone is talking to you.
ok how many 12 years old do you think really do what their parents told to in an online game? if most of them are, then you wont hear lots of kids screaming on CoD or other games.
a person who looks like a GM (which you often see in the loading screen) approaches you and talks to you( clearly youāll see their chat bubble), surely you wouldnāt mind going near ur monitor to look. you canāt miss it since youāre focus on your game right? unless youāre so lazy that is.
Ash, I am not defending Avid at all. I am fairly confident he was botting. I am criticizing the method of determination for bots.
It doesnāt matter what people DO, its what people are capable of doing. You could spend 20 hours farming bees. You could be #1 in bee kills completely legit. Doesnāt mean you bot.
A good anti-cheat would prove botting/hacking. Capcha systems would help. There are a number of methods that could be used to more permanently effect botting with a higher percentage then you could do manually.
Razuhiko, that isnāt how games work. The game is not region locked. You can play on whatever server you want. The North American server includes Canada, the United states, and Mexico. There are millions and millions of people who donāt speak english at all in North America. It isnāt just the United States, you know that right? Even then, there are hundreds of thousands in the US who donāt speak english.
I think a very large percentage of 12 year olds do what their parents told them in online games. If my child is screaming in CoD into a headset, I take away the headset. They can still play the game. I would do the same with a Keyboard on a childs computer. They can still get on steam and play thousands of games with a controller.
Honestly, any person who walks up to me and talks to me while Im 15 feet away, in bed, late at night grinding with a controller is probably getting ignored. Thatās mostly because I turn the AC on at night, and I sleep naked, but that is besides the point. lol
Captcha pops up and the bot suddenly sounds an alarm or stops/automatic response then logs out after a message. Then youād be arguing maybe the person has reasons and they canāt solve the captcha so itās not fair to ban
Thereās no such thing as a āgood anti-cheatā system that isnāt actually just spyware that is doing things nobody will allow IMC to do on their computer. No thanks, Iām not installing some kind of malware that lets them invade my privacy and makes my computer less secure because thereās some imaginary strawman that has ten thousand coincidence to explain obvious and logical reasons why theyāre cheating.
Even if this spyware system existed they could crack it and then youād say thereās a anti-cheat system so it doesnāt count even if the GM watches them farm for 24 hours while ignoring them.
This system is perfect. This player is not a naive person who farmed monsters unknowingly. Weāre not in a world where thereās ten thousand coincidence to explain everything that goes against logic.
Also, just so you know, the people who actually manually farm #1 on the kill ranking donāt like bots like the Avidity either. You know why? Because we can actually talk with the GM while we farmed the hundred thousand kills while Avidity farms them and canāt talk with any players for āmagical reasonsā and then theyāre competing with our legitimate score. People who kill lots of stuff do not like botters or people who will ignore a GM searching for bots.
I agree with @aristeausx on thatā¦ maybe they should also implement a way to test if he/she is a botā¦
like giving the GM a skill for summoning a high lvl mob to see if he/she avoids it /test dummy of a dummy mob that is immortal to see if see if she/he continues to hitting it
This was the topic we were discussing @Rhaegar solution to bots
@STAFF_John @STAFF_Max @STAFF_Amy
And it can be an inconvenience to legit players and afkersā¦plus it really depends on how the capcha system is designed.
Then again well done GM_Durianā¦ at least i can now be rest assured that the staff are doing sumthing with regards to bots
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IMC is not police though they have power greater than police within TOS.
Against police you can retaliate but against IMC inside TOS, youāre not going to be able to fight back.
@please @lans1234567890 @Darkon @Endurance @atari @lemaitre_dulotus @aristeausx Yes, do continue to defend this incredibly obvious use of ToSKore by OP as being an unjustified ban. Continue to ignore the constant movement, attacking mobs that shouldnāt be there, perfect buff timing, constant bot pathing, lack of any jumping, lack of responding to any of the strangeness that was happening around him, AND logging back into the game at superhuman speed twice before the ban could even register in the system. Iām sure all of this is just abstract observation and not concrete proof of botting. Also, be sure you leave your IGN so that you can show us how a cough human would respond to the presence of all of these things as well.
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Thing is he/she did not respond to the GMs questionā¦ and instead chose to ignore itā¦continue to āplayā the gameā¦
Even if shes/he a legit playerā¦he/she chose to be ignorantā¦ and theres a vid proving it =p
Well, Now whos to blame for getting banned XDā¦the GM trying to do his job or the one who āpretendsā to act like a bot ā¦ or in this caseā¦ continue botting
@C4Murder i dont think hes defending him/her lolā¦hes just giving his own opinions
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I am worried about innocent players that can get banned because of imperfect banning algorithms and incompetent GMās.
If by perfect you mean when a GM occassionally gets on they ban a 100 or so bots, and have a decent chance of a few of those being legit players given the time constrictions of the GM, then sure. Meanwhile, 95 of those bots are back in game before the days out. I donāt imagine you would be as happy with the system being perfect if you were banned while playing legit.
How about this:
GMās in every game I have ever played have had the power to teleport people places. Why not have the GM Teleport the player to a unrealesed/unpopulated zone? Generally, its a āJailā area.
GM then asks the player if they are a bot. If the player continues to move/attack/use skills, its a bot. If they donāt respond, spawn some monsters ( In this case Beeās ) in the Jail, and see if they attack them. The GM can even damage the player to see if they heal/potion as part of a trigger, or even kill the player to see if they auto-respawn.
This would be a FAR more effective way of determining bot usage, and all but eliminates human errors.
Your argument is a lot of hyperbole and baseless speculation that relies on coincidence after coincidence. Thereās no perfect solution in this world including automated ones and thereās no proof the GM made an error to go with your idea of human error.
So what if they get teleported to a jail? They logout and itās not a bot. They canāt speak English so even if they donāt respond itās not a bot. Theyāre a 12 year old from Russia and canāt speak English while just wanting to grind and ignore everything in the game so theyāre not a bot.
Itās a BOT. GM teleports the bot somewhere and they attack the boss monster the GM spawns, but hey theyāre a 12 year old from Russia that canāt speak English or solve captcha so even if they attack the boss for 12 hours dying itās okay theyāre not a bot. Or better yet, they die to boss then logout and since they donāt want to talk with anybody itās not a bot.
Last post. These responses are a waste of a time since you can find ten thousand coincidence and decided the GM bans people who arenāt bots while youāve got no evidence to suggest that happened even once so far
I assumed you would āLast postā me, when I quite literally gave you a better example of what the GMās are doing now. If they are going to go down this road to combat bots, they might as well do the best version of it.
This will require much more manpower though.
Letting a GM to put them into a perma-sleep and ask them using a big bright font that cannot be turned off like a normal bubbles would be enough.
Bots will learn to talk eventually, but this would be enough for the early stages.
Sigh, I said last post, but that part really got me. No, they should not spend time programming flawed and pointless stuff to fight bots when they can have a GM verify it in person easily. They need to spend time programming bug fix and stuff from Korea. They do not need to spend time programming a totally crap system which wonāt do anything in particular to combat bots.
Thereās no proof of human error and the time required to ban the bots is less work and time than making a jail system which doesnāt work or do anything beyond what a GM can already do.
Your idea is flawed using your own logic and having them waste time programming it pointless.
OP is 100% bot in the vid you showed us.
The oracle always cast blessing when thereās 1-2 secs before blessing ran out. Notice the 2nd blessing cast at 1:45, thereās no mob around or in the screen, but she still cast blessing, which is not a normal player would do.
GM is doing the right thing here.
Good job once again imc now if only GM can stand by the afkers and watch the cycle of how offten they use potions then they can determin botting for sp pots and ban hammer them
You have no clue do you?
All that stuff is already in the game. There isnāt a single thing I listed that they cannot already do. Is this your first MMO? lol
Im starting to think you just like arguing just for the sake of arguing. When we start getting reports of people being wrongfully banned by a GM in person then ill start worrying but until then you still sound stupid to me and im assuming to @ashkd2 as well.
Thats the reason why i stay in the forums XD