flagging gm for trolling
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For some reason this post makes me think of how bots will be when VR gets bigger and they make mmos for VR… Will probably happen within 10 years i think. I wonder if the bots will look like mindless drones or they will advance enough to mimic real people.
…not sure why i thought of that since vr wasnt mentioned at all…
As long as it’s open world PvP. I’ve dreamed of a day when I can physically punch a bot in the face.
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Those feels, botters made me ragequit this game for like 2 weeks xD. It really is out of hand
Too bad i didnt see this yday, was at istoria ruins (or w/e its spelled), the ET map, on fedimian and reported 3 chaplain bot (dffff and name like that).
If i had see this i would have screnshotted the ■■■■ out of them just for the sake of shutting him up.
Sorry, didnt care to take screenshots of the 3 chaplain bot that were “farming” on istoria ruins, fedimian, yday, i did report them tho.
Still maybe trying to be in game instead of random ■■■■ on forum whoul help, dont you think?
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wow, lmao~ bwaahahahaha , nice come back. gm does not banned botters manually, they use bot programme to fight against bots~ so they have free time to troll hahaha
bots aint human… gm is human in forum hahaha
hey gm… i wonder, is the report bot button working properly? u gonna love this botter attitude man… he got the confidence and aint afraid of u. lmao, cool attitude and style .
after i report this guys…
after five hours i relog to dina bee after 5 hours… saw him at the same spot… he isnt botting now… we have a proper conversation… and guess what?
just wonder… what the are gm doing in the games? what is their disposition lol hahaha
botters does not even take u guys seriously lol hahahaha
I’m confused? You messaged a botter and the dude actually replied back admitting he’s a botter…? If he’s botting how is he replying to you at all?
That really confuses me.
after 8 hours he relogs back and stop the bots… uploading the whole process lol
I do not support botting at all but i have to call you out on nexon and other companies doing a better job. I’ve been gaming for 17 years now i’ve played around 20 MMO’s in that 17 years. Plus some games that aren’t “MMO’s” but do have online capabilities. Like Diablo 2/Diablo 3 FPS games co op games etc. (some considerably less time than others). I also spent around 3 years playing Maplestory (Made by Nexon) and i know for a fact that what you said is 100% false. Maplestory was plagued by botters and hackers before GMS was even released back in 2006. I started in 2007 on a fresh server and day 1 i ran into about 10 botters the day i played. I remember making fun of them with a friend and reporting them. Also played lotro. ALOT less botters in that game that any game ive EVER played. GW2 had botters from day 1.
When you get right down to it regardless how good a dev team is or how much effort they do or do not put into the game there are more people out there who have the time to create cheats and 3rd party programs than there are people on the payroll. There are insane amounts of gold farming companies and those companies make their money by using bots/dupes/and other hacks in games to get stuff faster. Then sell it to people who are lazy. There is never going to be an MMO that has no botters/hackers. Plain and simple you need to accept that. Think of it like this. FBI CIA CNN and even government security aka best of the best was hacked by Anonymous. How? Because their combined experience and talent was considerably higher than the people paid to prevent hackers.
No im not saying accept hackers as they are and go on. I’m saying stop talking nonsense and having incredibly unrealistic expectations. If you do not want hackers or botters in any game then you shouldn’t play games period. Not even in IRL. There are “cheaters” in absolutely every game. From basic card games, board games, video games, all the way to casino games. It’s considerably harder to cheat in casino’s than anywhere else and people still do it each and every day all over the world while people are watching them with incredibly sophisticated tech at all times.
TL:DR Don’t lie and claim other game companies have less hackers google can prove your wrong in less than 10 seconds. Don’t have unrealistically high expectations. Cheaters are everywhere. Real world and otherwise. They have been for thousands of years. Dont have to allow them to run rampant but you have to accept that they will continue to exist regardless what you or anyone else does.
Pretty much this.
It’s like people see a bot, report them. see them the next day still there and get mad as hell.
Good luck being on support and banning these bots when you go into your office and have litterly 5000 reports to check through.
Not gona work.
Bots will be there no matter what.
I think the best thing to do is, just note the ip’s and note the chars that buy from these bots. Then wait until they have like months of play time on it and just mass ban all of them.
This will scare people off more then anythign else. As they now don’t know if they are caught or not. And if there account is going to be done for.
I still remember in world of warcraft before tbc launched that half of the people in the guild i was in where advocating for bots. Because you wouldn’t get banned anyway.
They all preordered and activated tbc and then 1 day before the gates opened 300.000 accounts where banned ( mass ban ) like the whole guild was a desert. I got insane amounts of whispers from everybody if i could give them some gold to start out again.
I never saw any of them after they rerolled bot anymore. They got burned hard.
hey u know what i think? imc did a good job… and they desire to be praised because they did a good job. IF AND ONLY IF THEY BANNED BOTTERS, and properly back up the games concept and corevalue.
i dont hate bot as much as i sound… what i hate is the stupidity of how the games is being illustrated as…
yes… instead of calling it RO’s successor and with corevalue similar to RO… rather call it Tree of bullshiit.
fundamentally, how to make money from a great games? it is funny~
sell instances scroll ? when people can bot.
sell tokens to prevent bot and RMT? when botters can farm silvers and buy up token. a bloody stupid idea.
players who seek for character development, interactive mission and socializing gameplay hardcore grinding know this games scks… it could be great… but now it is shiit~
the well designed core value of this game is shiit… something is wrong… talk about contradiction, a grinding game where they focus on bots…why not just give us a “auto hunting mode”… or sell"bot program scroll"?
instead of market this games as RO’s successor, and encouraging no bots in game , but then they dont give a shiit about bots. what? is this a bullshiit politician party?
the creator should gain lots of experience from RO… have they become senile and forgotten about all bullshiit problems they faced before hahaha
meaningless meaningless meaningless and pointless bullshiit ideas.
i hate half ass… i like consistency.
there is a limit to stupidity… what a waste of resource. well, it does not matter to me what will happen to this games. i don’t give a shiit since it is free to play hahahahahah! and it will end up as a worst games in history. RAGNAROK 2? PERHAPS HAHAHA
if you have 500 reports and you can’t ban them because it’s too much work, that’s a call to hire someone (i won’t say ban their ip because that’s something it should be alredy happening)
on euRO there were player-gm, at fixed hours you could pm GM_EU/GM_DE/GM_ITA and talk to someone about that bot going around.
i just gave you this example to show you that being too few and having too much reports is not a valid excuse to having 35345 bot around.
sorry but playing the “too much report, can’t ban” card is just saying how bad they are, bot h on support and on game development.
hey, they should focus on selling expensive luxury cash equipments, i tell ya… if u takes out all the gaming activities such as grinding monsters, and character development hahahaha as it can be replaced by bots.
the games will be nothing but full of bots… love it .
give us" auto hunting mode" to be fair!! sell us" bot program scroll" instead of dungeon reset scrolls!! oh fk yeah!!
make it into a fking pay to win game, in the end… just close the server, so players will feel nostalgia after the server closes down.
Hi there 
Hilarious videos in here…also the pictures are very creative haha
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To begin with, I actually dont mind too much about botters/cheaters/hackers/exploiters/whatever… but I can understand the frustration…the way each person plays the game have a lot to do with the amount of it.
Personally, i have never been a hardcore player, and always feel motivated when others have better stuff than me, even if cheated to get them… i just enjoy challenges and my time playing a game that is supposed to be fun… try to chill if possible even when ■■■■ is all over the place…
But ok, when the amount of them starts pissing people off, (whatever your purpose with the game is) something must be done to at least decrease numbers, making them have a harder time using their tools to cheat than normal playing for example, so maybe they can end up not being easily noticeable, nor economy breakers, etc (the videos are a joke, but real xD)
Well, I’ve played some MMOs (mostly Ragnarok and WoW) and bots were, are and will be… a lot of people above have pointed out why… we are monkeys after all…
I would say i never had any problem in WoW with bots, never heard too much complain about them either (gold farmers were all around too, but i enjoyed my whole gaming experience…maybe something related to game mechanics?)
On the other hand, Ragnarok online had very similar bot problems as Tree of Savior (from the beginning to the end), as both games have very similar mechanics, but there were also “creative” ways to fight them, so in the end it was not too much out of control, compared to ToS current state.
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Honestly, i dont understand very much about computers in general, nor about cheating/anti-cheating tools, but i can remember when playing Ragnarok on a private server (that was full of bots the first months), that they ended up developing (or buying somewhere?) a software that could work to reduce bot numbers (they had already some anti-cheats but not working very well or just out to date)
The software worked more or less as follows:
- Some maps (99% were classic farming spots, like the ones u pointed out in ToS), randomly prompted the user to imput a code (the character got freezed, immune to monsters, during the process, so u could continue after…5 seconds?)
- If character failed to or didnt put the code, it would end up in jail (I think there were more than 2 tries in case u made a mistake when typing)
- If character went to jail, they had to imput more security code or talk with GMs (I never tested myelf so im not sure how exacty it worked), but if they also failed again or just were afk (sleeping while the bot worked hahah), they would get a TEMPORARY ban.
- Then I suppose accounts banned, would get a deeper investigation, contact with user, etc… so in the end, if u were doing ok, your ban would be gone and u continue playing as normal, but those found to be cheating would get a PERMA ban.
This was on a private server, with few people playing compared to this game (500-1000 more or less), but also with a staff made of fans, and not too many of them…as far as i can tell, the amount of bots got reduced massively, I would say better than the staff initialy expected, maybe because, there were easier servers to be botted on.
So maybe, something like this, but with up to date technology, could work in a similar way… at least people boting would be gone from the maps where theyre disturbing the community of players, or maybe all I said is just pointess cause there will always be a way to bot or something else i dont know to jump over it easily…any case, this is just my two cents.
Hope we can keep enjoying this game for a long, long time… it has the potential to do so imo.
Take care 
That would be great if that was their plan. If never do anything about the players who do bot when they arent playing though, then this may not be a long term game for me. Its demotivating when you have to spend a large amount of time farming in your free time when there is players accomplishing the same thing in their sleep unfairly.
This puts the thought in peoples heads, “if they can bot and gain all this stuff, but dont get banned, why dont i do it?” This will lead to even more bots. If they were serious about fighting bots these players wouldnt be getting away with it.
a bot can do anything that a human can do. and there is very little a game company can do to determine weather or not a player is a real person or a bot
you made a lot of good points.
I’ve basically come to the conclusion that you literally cant stop bots. Only deter them by making an annoying features like captcha or “HEY ARE YOU HUMAN” but its only a matter of time before those get bypassed by bot programmers and a lot of these “features” end up being annoying to people who play legitamate
Maybe we should take a hint from korea and force people to make a game game account with thier SSN lol
this is the best solution of all~ SSN + penalty for botting will definitely increase the revenue of the company, if they catch someone botting using a particular SSN, he or she will have to pay the penalty fee, let’s say 200 dollar in order to recreate a new characters, people would not sell their own SSN to others as it is like credit card , and this will motivate players to buy more cash stuffs~ once they see the core value of the game… and with proper back up…
it will also motivates @GM_sebastian , as it provides incentive to them to ban players~ one ban = special commission
return players from ban= special commission
dont u like it? no more honeymoon~ extra respect and income.
It sounds like a good idea at first but RMTers commit fraud and hack into accounts all the time just to keep their business running.
I’d hate to see identity theft become even more of a problem than it already is.
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