To IMC SHOW R9 content

[Euphe]

Its nice indeed, but i very much dislike how imc deliver them.

[lladocspark]

Well, I saw a Barbershop on klepeida town hopefully they will also open that for hairstyle.

But then on the R9 content hope they will give free tp for us to spend… event or something.

Hoping those coming:
(Wizards)
Rank3= Warlock/FF
Rank2= Enchanter/Sage
Rank9=?

(Swordsman)
Rank3 =Templar/Dragoon
Rank2= Murmillo/Lancer
Rank9=?

(Cleric)
Rank3= Plague Doctor/Kaballist
Rank2= Taoist/Inquisitor
Rank9=?

(Archer)
Rank3=Musketeer/Cannoneer
Rank2=Hackapel/Mergen
Rank9= ?

Seems alot of possibilities that we again dont know.

[_Val_]

They failed for me. Just check the male hairstyles and tell me, do the so-called premium hairstyles look distinctively better, compared to the non-premium cheap 15 TP hairstyles? Also, are the players you see with premium hairstyles using female or male characters? [I never really noticed a player using a premium hairstyle on a male character + it’s hard to see if they wear head accessories…]

They don’t even look distinctive enough to count as male hairstyles, some make my character look like a trap because of the cute face…

Honestly I like a lot of the tp hairstyles for males, I’ve personally bought 3 of them while only 1 female. There is however more female hairstyles bought for sure I won’t argue against that but it doesn’t mean the male ones are necessarily bad.

I don’t think they failed. :x I see a lot of people having them and I personally don’t mind the price, sure if it was cheaper I’d buy more of them I guess but it’s not that bad.

Also the hair cut argument is so bad in my opinion. I have said it multiple times in the past but real life hair cut only allows you to literally cut hair, not grow, not recolor, not reconstruck (thickness etc, huge importance of visual aspect of the hair), not a hair do etc. In this sense a virtual hair style change goes way beyond what a hair cut can do for a person irl.

If you really want to compare irl with virtual people should take into account hair coloring, extensions, paying for a professional made hair do etc. Then we’d end up with the price easily over 100dollars/euros depending on the quality of work obviously…

They failed for me. Just check the male hairstyles and tell me, do the so-called premium hairstyles look distinctively better, compared to the non-premium cheap 15 TP hairstyles? Also, are the players you see with premium hairstyles using female or male characters? [I never really noticed a player using a premium hairstyle on a male character + it’s hard to see if they wear head accessories…]

They don’t even look distinctive enough to count as male hairstyles, some make my character look like a trap because of the cute face…

About the price: that argument isn’t bad, it’s fair because I compare it with a real life activity where someone has to work and use ressources for my sake. Cheap cuts come at 10-20 Euro, and expensive modulations have several hair care intermission and/or overwork included,thus taking longer, increasing the personal costs and affecting the price by a huge margin.

In TOS there’s no such a thing like use of work force and ressources included, you design and program that hairstyle once [investment phase] and then the heap of 1s and 0s is sold for ridiculous amounts of money although it is generated solely by machines and is virtual [exploitation phase].

Sorry but I don’t think that[ considering normal hairstyles cost 15 TP (i.e. like ~1 Euro)] 11-15 Euro is an acceptable price for a virtual byproduct that has no effect or impact in the/on the game at all, especially since we can get a whole costume for the same price.

If you think about cheapest cuts of hair it’s usually short haired males, to up keep such look you’d have to go get your hair cut pretty much every month, some men do even more often if they really want their hair cut to stay perfect. Virtual hair style is permanent and stays perfect forever with no additional upkeep costs.

It’s absolutely idiotic to compare real life hair cut to a virtual reality. Real life hair is all about limitations your hair is growing all the time so the cut isn’t permanent, your limited to work with the lenght of hair you have and the thickness of hair you have in terms of what looks good on your hair type etc.
Virtual hairs are permanent and in a sense “perfect” you can also have changes that are in real life literally impossible or even hair looks that aren’t possible without looking very fake.

If you want to compare virtual hairstyles to something from real life, I’d say wigs is the best comparison and obviously price range should come from wigs that are made from real hair, not cheap.

To be fair, A LOT of the hairstyles bought were from another time. When events gave you event TPs (what happened to those ?!), when GvG also gave TP, and when people had early access packs which gave quite a lot of TP.

For all the players I know, more than 3/4 of the hairstyles they have were bought during that time.

Well I know people who still buy hairstyles, event tp while nice wasn’t usually that much to be able to buy a hairstyle. GvG tp is different thing entirely but not everyone was able to get that…
Besides some new players do buy hairstyles and they’re not granted with those benefits.

If they sold it for like 5$ people would more blindly buy several. But if you sell it at 15$ people are relucant to even buy one. People tend to think “It’s cheap, it’s fine !” without paying too much attention and not realizing buying a few rapidly get them to 25$. But if the base price is already expensive (for what it is), people will more carefully consider their purchase and not even spend the 15$. It’s like that for anything, really.

I’m not gonna argue a lot with the marketing aspect of this as there’s a lot I don’t agree with IMC on how they do those things. But if I take myself for an example in this regard I usually only buy one hairstyle per character and currently have bought 4 which would be 60dollars. I have currently 8 characters so if they were cheaper I’d agree I’d buy more but only up till one for each character cause I don’t need more unless they release a new hairstyle I absolutely want. That would net up to 40dollars so in my case their marketing plan nets them more profit.
Obviously I don’t claim that this could be said of the majority or anything but honestly considering how little hairstyles available a higher price is potentially smarter. If they actually had like 100+ hairstyles it probably would be a very different story.

The texture or whatever doesn’t matter. It’s just pixels

Obviously it doesn’t, but it does matter for real hair which is why I made the comparison. To make a point how stupid it’s to compare the two.

15$ is too much for pixels, even if the hairstyle is beautiful

This is just debatable. Some people think it is, while some don’t mind.

The NPC or the staff making it don’t spend more time on your character because of the difference between your base hair and the result you want. This comparison doesn’t make any sense

I know it doesn’t which is why I wouldn’t compare them. I only stated it because I don’t think hair cuts make sense as a comparison either as their so lacking in terms of what you can achieve from it compared to virtual hair styles. So it’s not logical to compare a price of a hair cut to a virtual hairstyle.

There’s simply so many factors in real life hair when you consider their modification and basically none in virtual hair.
Virtual hair style is not the equivalent of a hair cut which is why I added some of these factors so they could be more equal in terms of comparison.
I don’t think it’s logical to compare the two in any cases tho, I hope you get my point finally…
I apologise if I wasn’t clear enough on it in my original post.

Also… where does it cost over 100$/€ for that ? I have butt-long hair and live in an expensive country, getting my hair done, cut, dyed and not in a “low” shop will cost me 80€, not 100+.

I did mention extensions for example which alone easily exceed 100€.
But Im from Finland personally and I have short hair and on multiple occasions when I have done bleaching and toning for example have costed me over 100€, I could get cheaper for less quality otherwise but it is quite normal here. Obviously longer hair is even more expensive.

100+ is only if you get some wedding/special occasion hairstyle that will take at least half a day and several staff to be on you. Usually includes make-up as well.

That’s easily over 200€ here!

Its nice indeed, but i very much dislike how imc deliver them.

Fair enough. I do want to say the current price is in no way my ideal thought of what it should be. I just happen to be ok with it. Considering there’s different things in the tp shop I personally find more concerning affects my opinion a bit too.

[Neiru]

Hoping those coming:

(Wizards)

Rank3= Warlock/FF

Rank2= Enchanter/Sage

Rank9= Mimic/Shadowmancer/Onmyouji

(Swordsman)

Rank3 =Templar/Dragoon

Rank2= Murmillo/Lancer

Rank9= Luchador/Retiarri/Matador

(Cleric)

Rank3= Plague Doctor/Kaballist

Rank2= Taoist/Inquisitor

Rank9= Fortune Teller/Macumbeiro/Zealot/Lama/Shepherd

(Archer)

Rank3=Musketeer/Cannoneer

Rank2=Hackapel/Mergen

Rank9= Pied Piper/Puppeteer

There’s already a few images floating around google on what their costume might look like. Here’s one.

[lladocspark]

Rank9= Fortune Teller/Macumbeiro/Zealot/Lama/Shepherd

IMC really love clerics😶

[Nekorin]

Aren’t Omnyoji another form of Miko/Taoist that uses charms to fight???

[frould]

Onmyoji is a ghostbuster not really related to regional beside god’s power and yin/yang said god’s power is magic.

[Neiru]

There’s a very thin line about Omnyoji being a Cleric class or a Wizard class

Onmyōdō (陰陽道, also In’yōdō, lit. ‘The Way of Yin and Yang’) is a traditional Japanese esoteric cosmology, a mixture of natural science and occultism. It is based on the Chinese philosophies of Wu Xing (five elements) and yin and yang, introduced into Japan at the beginning of the 6th century.

-Wiki

[lladocspark]

IMO, Onmyoji is something like a shaman in eastern (asia) that will be possesed by a great spirit and that body will be granted with powers to the summoner.

[anon55982834]

I’d say Onmyouji should be Wizards as they focus on Ying and Yang and are more magic-focused than occultism-focused (hence why Taoist priests,which are religious entities are Clerics).

Shaman King doesn’t really fit into that category, Sousei no Onmyouji is a way better reference if we talk about Onmyoudou.

Also, in contrast to Taoist, which uses the power of the elements,heavens and mysterious features, Onmyouji would most likely be a mixed summoner Class similar to Bokor for the Cleric Class, featuring Shikigami and enchantments.

In all honesty, I don’t really care about the new Classes, Taoist and Kabbalist are all that matter to me when it comes to improvement/rebalancing,as they are my favorite Classes in the game and already out. Especially Kabbalist needs some serious improvements at Rank 9 to be at least on par with PD (it would be bad if Kabbalist were suddenly a lot better, making people shift meta from Plague Doctor to Kabbalist, I hate bandwagoning mentality).

That’s why at least the planned improvements for Rank 7 and Rank 8 Classes could be released so that people can discuss and suggest improvements prior to release…

[nightrain_scy]

I dont know, i have bad hope in wizard tree.
We have many bad circles in high rank, ops as well as bad circles in low rank now, most are not contributing much in high rank dps.
IMC overbuff swordies and clerics to shadowed archer and wizard, with wizard in more worrier state.
*cryo,elem,thaum are actually good as tier1 imo, warlock, chrono, sorc tier2, others are average or bad

Clerics able to support tank heal dps in single character in many builds, but the rest are struggle.

Enchanter/Sage are bad, since combat change missile hole is lesser important.

Warlock is buggy and design is not well thought, FF has many limitations.

Alchemist is just sad with homunculus 7 days, and Necro pets AI also limited its potential.

What should i expect for R9 wizards?

[anon55982834]

*cryo,elem,thaum are actually good as tier1 imo, warlock, chrono, sorc tier2, others are average or bad

Same could be said for a lot of Cleric Classes, e.g. Paladin&Priest are average (post buffs), Dievdirbys,Krivis,Pardoner,Oracle,Kabbalist still bad. Good-decent are only Taoist,Sadhu,Inquisitor,Plague Doctor and maybe Monk.

Imo Clerics aren’t overbuffed, the only strong ones are the PD,Inquisitor and (in the future) Taoist, Swordsmen and Archers are way stronger (looking at Doppelsoeldner,Murmillio,Lancer,Shinobi,Fencer,Fletcher,Mergen,Schwarzer Reiter,Hackapella,Musketeer).

[lagunarealm48]

What should i expect for R9 wizards?

Warlock anf FF3 could very well be good. Shadowmancer too, aside from that, sage2 and enchanter2 will continue being supports.

Swordsmen and Archers are way stronger (looking at Doppelsoeldner,Murmillio,Lancer,Shinobi,Fencer,Fletcher,Mergen,Schwarzer Reiter,Hackapella,Musketeer).

Doppel, murm, shinobi are the only OP classes there. Lancer maybe. Archer is the worst base class right now, even SR is bad for everything except farming dungeons if you don’t have Aspana at least +11 T5.

[nightrain_scy]

Indeed every tree has few classes that are underperform, but I mean that overall wizard is just the worst among others.
Bokor/Diev/pardoner at least as filler still able to help/synergy higher rank dps class, krivis/paladin scroll are still useful, and paladin3 barrier is great at ET and even mdef buff at superior boss.
Druid is able to top superior boss too with loophole, what best is cleric2 able to cover lot of things, heal+cure good support and decent hit counts and damage even at high rank/divinemight is universal good skill/safetyzone to against knockdown

As you just mentioned other trees are good at r7-r8, wizard r7-r8 are bad overall, which dps only rely on elem r6 with high attribite + high matk weapon to remain relevant. So I just hope dev have a careful look at the balancing at r9.

Archer r7-r8 Musk/Cannon overall is same as FF/Warlock, good damage with limited CD or AoE. Mergen/Hakka at least look more promised than Sage/Enchanter. Falconer3/SR3 also better than alchemist/necrocancer-afk.
SR is still revelant because mobility is what they should excel, if a class that can master >1 combat role at once like PD damage+support, Murmillo damage+tank, those are far off the median line or call it OP. I think dopple/lancer will back on track once no more x8 moles card.

This game is about hybrid your build with low rank support classes with high rank dps classes, which made cleric is best tree at this spot.

[Cakester]

Archers are way stronger

Archer? You mean the hidden class that must be unlocked by extreme masochists to play?

[d_88overcome]

what classs is that?

[migliole]

I don’t know which is strong or weak, but in the end of the day, on TBL, it all comes to the same thing for me:

No clerics on the fight = balanced fight.

[Neiru]

I’m just gonna leave it here…

Shepherd

Zealot

Macumbeiro?

Lama

Can’t seem to find any for the other class

[Borel]

Doppel, murm, shinobi are the only OP classes there. Lancer maybe. Archer is the worst base class right now, even SR is bad for everything except farming dungeons if you don’t have Aspana at least +11 T5.

So true. Imc should give us some reason to play Archer. Why would i play a class with low hp/cc resist and medium dps, if i can play a class with high hp/cc resist with insane dps? They really have to do something to make archers good in r9.

[lladocspark]

4 class of cleric? I don’t know if its really like that IMC really like clerics.