honestly i still have no idea why or what makes initiate block
it just seems so awesome the amount of utility this skill brings.
iām struggling to understand as well.
Itāll be a surprise but for sure itās a non-meta cata. Iāll post it once itās on action, gonna include major inputs and maybe gameplay videos. 
As a full dex, I hit my lancer friend and he blocks like at least 80%. Itās preety niceā¦
@Tanzen is it the gangsta barb 3 cata 3?
@kradenmike4
How much do you hit vs someone with a shield (Not guarding)?
Uhmm Iām not cata lancer :x I play fencer
I mean how often can your fencer hit a pelta with a shield? (not guarding)
Quite often. They barely block unless they got high lvl finestra or initiate
I hope people donāt complaint too much on lancer and nerf them
nah no reason to be afraid
dragoon however is a different story. some people want to nerf dethrone only in pvp which i could care less since my dragoon is for pve 
How do you guys feel about SW2->HOP2->Cat3->Lancer?
pve and pvp. some 100-150 con and rest dex.
- Spear Lunge, all lancer skills are pierce.
- Would have good crit rate and +3 aoe with finestra, does the block% from finestra improve the buff from lancer or will it go to waste because no shield?
- Stabbing should scale well.
- level 5 restraint ok for pvp?
- Missing out on that +5 duration on pain barrier, also 5 sec lower because of level 10, so 10 seconds lower duration.
- You are essentially replacing other R7 class with Hop2.
ughhh >.< i got driveby gunned down by a Schwarzer Reiterā¦ feels bad man
it looked kinda like thisā¦ but instead of 5 ppl it was just meā¦ since my teammate was 1 of those archers who hides most of the match and waits to get the ks
iām not entirely sure that this is a good pvp build, it was not tested and spear lunge kinda adds time to your rotation
i am also not sure about finestra, since initiate mechanism is really weird.
The problem with hoplite in pvp is that this class has nothing useful in pvp, so that is my concern. Also there are 0 catas in klaipeda with this build so i have never seen one.
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If only Long Stride is usable while mounted, IMO that wouldāve been viable.
I think your build is leaning more towards PVE (Hop pick is the biggest hint) except that youāre going Lancer by R8 which right now at C1 is mostly built around PVP.
As @DieHardLancer said, there are more worthy classes for that rank.
I used to play cleric class then i reroll as i realized that cleric isnt my play style. Im doing a catagoon build and my godā¦ the attributes cost are atrociously insane. Not to mention abt the price there are a variety of skills which are useful. I am currently C3 now. I know when i get to dragoon its gonna be even more costly. How do u guys earn so much $$$$$$.
I have taken a pelt in my build and then i am starting to question myself if it is a wise choice. A rank for swashbuckling to get myself more accepted in parties.
Lastly, there is an attribute for earth wave that makes the attack to be earth property. Not sure what does that means. Is there even a difference?
More u up ranks more expensive r d skills, at rank 8 a lancer need 42kk to up knockdown passive until lv30 n 200kk to up a dmg skill to lv90+, any class attributes r that expensive, it is related w rank level.
Pelt is used to up block in 25% while u r using a shield in pvp, but cata as a passive that gives him more 40% block pen w 2hspear, so or u use 1hspear plus shield to up block or a 2hspear to up block pen.
Earth wave as earth prop is like a elemental skill, give extra dmg in some mobs w some certain type n less i some other w others types.
it means that earth wave will deal additional damage against lighting and fire, other than that there is no reason to have it on since it deals less damage against poison.
If you want good silver you can open a 145 dungeon farmer, i solo 145 dungeon on my scout 3 and hoplite and make 2m/day each char
also, i make an additional 2m/day from selling daily blessed shards from saluus, so i can make up to 3-4m silver a day just from soloing dungeons and selling saluus blessed shards.
I recommend getting your skill attributes to lvl 50% for a budget cost build, and then focus on gear and then when you get richer, definitely get the rush attribute to 70-90. (lvl 100 can be a bit pointless especially in pvp, since from 90 to 100 cost more than 0 to 90, pretty ridiculous)
Any1 knows if this is a thing yet? : https://tos.neet.tv/items/503202
Also, any of you maxed initiate yet? If so any feebacks? Same for joust, is it worth maxing it for now?
So far I have 5 quintain, 1 crush, 1 joust , 1 dismount, 1 initiate and wondering where to put the rest of my points
initiate must be maxed, at lvl 15 initiate will have 100% uptime, 125% block penetration chance and 150% block debuff
also, the block mechanic increases with each lvl, and at lvl 15 you will block with a 2h spear 100% of the time
ofc this is far away, but you get the idea.
my stat distribution is: lvl 5 quintain, lvl 5 initiate, lvl 1 dismount, lvl 1 crush, lvl 3 joust.
joust lvls increases silences, you can get joust instead of quintain, but definitely get initiate no doubt about that.
canāt wait to see what skills are in store for us later on c2 and c3 ā¦