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They are still banning after the first wave!

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#1

If you think you are safe, welp, think again, even if you survive the first 2 waves of bans, theres still a chance of you getting banned… A friend just got banned due to EULA(?), and he receive no info regarding what he supposedly did… He was able to log in the past few days, but yesterday he couldnt, and today he received the answer of the ticket that he was banned…

From what i know, he just bought 2 varpas accessories, and probably it was sold by one of the hackers… so now he is banned due to him not knowing the name of the seller in the market…

Theres also the ppl that unknowingly listed thing in higher price before the hackaton and during the hackaton the hackers bought them and are banned now… (the listing can be due to various reason, but mainly coz they are dumb or they think the value is higher than the current one in the market, both are valid logics to list something in higher value)

Theres a lots of ways to see this…

1.- IMC is banning a lot of ppl just for the faint connection to the hackers, arguing that the victims bought silver and the hacker just coz he bought it, its proof enough of RMT… also, if the victim bought something from a hacker, and remember that theres no way to know the names of the seller in the market, they are also banned due to EULA due to some sort of “relation” to the hacker…

2.- IMC is allowing ppl that survive the hack back into the game, leave them with access for a few days, and then ban them, creating more chaos in the servers…

Overall both scenarios are very dangerous, so welp… start spamming tickets and taking screenshots of EVERYTHING that you have ingame…

Cheers

edit: changed accs for accessories to erase misunderstandings

#4

Lol he didn’t buy an account. By varpas accs, I think he meant varpas accessories.

#5

how did the buying or selling accounts came to your mind from the post???

Basically they did nothing wrong, and just were in the wrong place in the wrong time…

Basically one of them bought something from market and it happens to be one of the hackers…

The other basically is dumb and listed with an extra 0 and leave them there without noticing it before the hackaton in the weekend and then the hackers in their buying spree bought it…

Both of them are permabanned due to those circumstances…

The point of the post is that some ppl that survive the first 2 waves of bans, got access to the game, and then later they banned them… meaning that the wave of bans isnt over… So basically if any1 bought or sold something from a hacker are in danger…

Yeah, i think i will change the wording…

#6

There’s so much confusion and bad information being spread around based on misunderstandings of what is actually happening.

First:

The “hackers” did not sell anything.

The people who exploit the situation to make more silver than they should have will probably be banned while IMC investigates their account. If they continued to exploit the situation, ie by buying attributes points, or more items with silver they should not have earned, then they probably will be banned, for an unknown length of time.

The people who were given the incorrect amount of silver or items will probably be temporarily banned while IMC adjusts the values on their account.

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#7

The thing is that the hackers DID list things in the market, at least in silute there was a bunch of low cost velco gear without potential and also the varpas accessories… Sorien just made the hack, and theres others that also found that exploit… when i say hackers i mean also the ones that used those hacks, they are the ones that have been listing the things in market for weeks if not more…

Regarding the “temporal” ban, welp, there isnt, is permanent…

Am not talking about the ppl that got incorrect amounts of silver and/or items, am talking about ppl that just did things that the game is designed for, like using the market, and got banned with little to no reason due to a potential of RMT involved there where is very hard to differentiate…

IMC is punishing innocent players under the assumption that they somehow knew whats going on, and some of them (not all of them), should be re-evaluated and take the history of the movements they have made in the market in consideration…

Theres no way just for selling something in the market and a hack user buys the item means that you get a perma ban… in the same way as if you buy something from the market from a hack users (which theres is no way of knowing the names in market) means perma ban…

cheers

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#8

some items do not have a correct value of silver, while this is reasonable enough but imc does not take it into account

#9

selling the item to change the appearance of weapons in 25m may sound a lot but it really is not so much, a 1-hand weapon velcoffer costs 21m plus all the weapons that you want to give appearance to …

25m is not an exaggerated price and even so they banned an acquaintance for that, and it was the only thing I had in the market

#10

1.) That is over twice the amount it should be sold for.

2.) IMC probably has no way of knowing, and probably has to treat all these transactions as potentially exploitative.

This is evidenced by the fact that people were selling very old Christmas costumes on Klaipeda for 200m, but they are fine.

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#11

thats the main problem, IMC does know the prices fluctuations in the market, but just because its tied to a hack user, means perma ban…

Also, everything would be a lot easier for everyone if IMC instead of just quoting RMT or EULA in the bans, they actually state the reason of the ban…

#12

I understand that IMC probably doesn’t have the resources to properly address every case at a reasonable time frame.
But the lack of information and the hint that even the slightest suspicion of connection between banned accounts and some form of RMT or EULA breach will warrant a immediate permanent ban is bad praxis.
There are several ways in which “innocent” players might find themselves caught in this mess, unknowingly and unrelated to any hacker or goldselling activity. The risk of banning innocent players is high enough to warrant a more careful approach, specially regarding accounts that moved smaller volumes of silver or that have a history of selling certain types of gear or at a certain type of price.
The bottom line is, we lost our guild because our guild leader was perma banned, he put on sale, before the main incident, a couple of overpriced items that at worst went 20m above the usual price(from 15m to 35m), but that in total summed up an amount not beyond 40m of extra silver (after both items were sold) when the hackers bought up every item above 10m. There’s no clear intent of abuse related to the hacking event, the volume of silver is too small to justify that, the suspicion of RMT relation is absurd, because that day the goldsellers/hackers immolated themselves in front of the community, where they conducting their regular business too? knowing that those transactions would most likely be reverted? This makes no sense, and has deeply affected our small community.
And even if you play devil’s advocate here, and believe that they might have known about what was going to happen, isn’t there enough reasonable doubt to justify a more careful approach? to weight in the possibility of banning innocent players and destroying communities within the game? because by doing so, you take the damage done by the hackers, further. As it was intended by them when they set themselves up to destroy the game. #freeourtimmyleader

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#13

the problem is that the item can cost that … IMC just ignores all that and banned

see someone who banned poor sell an item at 25m and what is worth while you see images of people who took 1 billion for abusing even playing, has no logic …

#14

It would be very rare that innocent players are actually perma-banned. IMC’s ticketing system is terrible and it’s probably very hard to tell.

Your guild leader was very not likely perma-banned, but let’s be clear: you state plainly that he exploited the situation. It doesn’t matter if it was “only 20m above market price.” You’re missing the point. Do I think he should be perma-banned for that? No, but I think pouring gasoline on a fire does make you in part responsible when the fire flares up and burns the ■■■■ out of you.

#15

How did he exploit the situation if he listed the items before the incident? (he wasn’t even online during the buyout) and he is very much perma banned, when you are banned under investigation it says so, this is not the case.

#16

He was perma banned, just saying, the rest is arguable in both cases, being innocent or guilty, and i also share that it should have been a temporal ban with the removal of silver and/or items…

#17

agree with you…
the last thing i did in the game before maintenance is selling lvl 380 primus weapon with 4 green stat, then i got banned without knowing where’s my mistake…
i don’t even know if it sold or not because i can’t login after maintenance over
:expressionless::expressionless::expressionless:

#18

Well i´m a idiot too.
I read a shout that somebody is buying all blessed shards from the market.
So i put 20 shards for 1m ea on the market.
Didnt know about hackers and didnt think i would sold them it was sunday.
I went off on the next day they were sold its stupid but a perm bann is bit hard.

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Look at all those fair prices :smirk:

#20

My friend get banned yesterday… for nothing…

#21

If you think you were wrongly banned, plz go here About the wrongly banned people so then we can have at the very least a re-review of the ban

#22

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