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The "Pay-To-Win" Token Scandal

they can pay up cash for it. the era of cheap tokens is over.

We already established that paying cash is an option. We’re talking about the no-cash option, so any comments regarding the cash-option are moot.

EDIT: Just wanted to double-check that your argument here is that only veteran players or people who have already devoted a significant amount of time to the game, who can reasonably obtain millions of silver, should be able to afford a token. Which usually means new players likely can’t hope to get a token for several weeks/months of casual play, or maybe a full week of really hardcore no-lifing. Maybe even longer, depending on inflation of token prices. Is that the jist of it?

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yes

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just tell new players to roll scout 3, they will have tokens in no time

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In which case, the fundamental differences between the two viewpoints is: people who believe tokens should be more easily non-cash accessible for new players, and people who do not believe new players deserve access to token benefits without paying cash or playing for a significant amount of time.

If you took away the Team Storage and Market Place limitations, I would actually agree with you guys. But because those two aspects of the game are locked behind Token benefits, I honestly think everyone should be more easily able to access the Token without paying Cash.

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And who will pay for Mr Kim’s new yacht if you have such core mechanics open without cash?

huehue

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belief has always been subjective

and reality shows token price will raise even higher.

just saying.


TOS is already going full speed p2w with RNG Costume Cube and selling Stat Reset… Also the incoming Class Reset.

i already quit caring for TOS back in OCT.

Now, i just play all the classes, stop leveling at lv240…
after i done my little project, byebye TOS

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why the non-paid should have the same advantages as those who pay?
deal with it

I’d rather spend my tp with gacha than help the lazys

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That statement is awfully ambigiuous…
You can quit TOS but never quit TOF!

huehue

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We’re discussion two viewpoints. The whole thing is subjective. No one here is arguing objectivities.

Here’s an objective truth for you though: if Tokens were sold by an NPC for a set price of silver (alongside the option to buy for TP), it would be impossible for cash-cows to buy a Token using cash and sell the Token to make Silver, eliminating one of the most efficient ways to turn cash into silver.

Another objective truth is: if NPCs sold Tokens for silver, inflation would be impossible by greedy players and/or cash cows who can artificially inflate the price of tokens by controlling an extremely limited market.

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Because “convenience” is different from “advantage.” Right now, the Token is far more centered around providing significant advantage over non-token players, rather than convenience.

But thank you for pointing out your opinion: that people who have the luxury and/or comfort to pay real money deserve to have gameplay advantages over the less financial fortunate. :smirk: That is the equivalent of saying that you only care about yourself, and not the ToS community.

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Correct me if I have missunderstood something, but your point is making core things for newbies easier to get?

Let me help you with that, because there are bots and our “superiors” refuse to do anything against them, newbies won’t be able to have anything easy in this game, now I’m not talking about getting a token, but new people will spend a lot of time until they can get a lvl 15 armor such as cafrisun or a level 40 decent item such as battle bracelet.
Countermeasure against bots are reducing channels and mob, bots are still in these channels farming the same while a character level 15-30 who barely knows how to play can’t compete against.

Let me upload that:

I’d like to point out that Rank 8 brought lot of old players but they quit again after how things are getting managed, and newbies aren’t getting fun or can’t find what they look for in this game.
So I’m sorry for you, your friends, the whole community and the game itself, but maybe in less than a year will have bots and not much more people. Gotta be grateful to IMC and all this followers who only give them money and defend them.

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Clearly IMC is Nexon or they are in the mafia and ITOS has to pay its dues for protection from KTOS. Every purchase of a pack goes into the shared bank account of Owen Mahoney and Kim Hakkyu since they got married. This is the reason why we can’t have nice things despite more than likely being the top revenue generating server overall.

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I suspect JTOS would be the top overall revenue server since they have more players and tokens cannot be traded on market. But Nexon takes their cut of course and ITOS is direct IMC operated so maybe ITOS gives the most money back to IMC.

Do not play, or deal with it

Thanks for that! This is basically the point, yeah–new players (especially non-paying ones) are being so dissuaded from playing because the mountains they need to climb in order to feel like they can really enjoy the game are too high. There are so many aspects of this game I could list that dissuade new players: limited Tokens in the MP, having to pay Cash otherwise, bots and AFK farmers monopolizing grind spots and maps with sought-after items, the list goes on.

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Thank you for letting me know you have no argument. :slight_smile:

ok, great, so, just to be clear, no bashing and hitting and no biting my ears off.

k?


here goes…

Because it benefits both the seller and the buyer.

Easy silver per day = rich buyer = benefit Token seller

Only victim is , as u said, the new comer.

But, from business perspective, if you cant even or stingy enough not to buy atleast 100tp per month, you are not a good prospect/targeted customer and i would not prioritize your needs.

TOS is free to play, as in free for you to login , roam around idly
TOS is not free, as in free so you can be compete with the half of the server.

If you plan to play TOS without paying a single dollar, at best, u are only the lower 25% of whole population.

why would IMC anger the remaining 75% paying customer just to please you parasite 25% beggers.
(sorry for harsh word, just for hue)


i this point, i think IMC should follow jtos and make Token untradable.

this the only way to save iTOS.

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Did they have early access founder packs including like 8 of them after? That I’m sure was the biggest overall gains taking them out of the red from KTOS’ flop.

There are no arguments against crying
New players who like the game, will buy the token with $$ (Helping to maintain the server)

What I see here is only cry of high level player, who plays without spending a single real money, wanting to take advantage of who buys tp to sell token

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