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The game doesn't have Tanks

shhh dont let them know tanks are real

Without healer your dungeon time gets 3x longer. Without tank, your dungeon time is hardly affected.

Time is by far the most precious resource in the game, as it translates to literally everything you can get.

If you take sometime to read what others posted, you would realize that (points to meme above), since the LEROYYY remark was not enough. The point is nothing is needed, as you are able to finish the task with or without any role missing. How long it takes to do so is irrelevant. why is irrelevant you ask? Because even though you see time as something important others wont, as they have 5, 10,1000 more hours to burn doing what you only have 1 to complete.

What you say is only relevant when you are rushing dungeon, where I agree that only some damage is needed.

If you are doing dungeon for exp, getting 3x longer time means your exp/hour goes down, and that makes going into dungeon worse than soloing outside, which defeat the purpose of going into dungeon in the first place.

Yes other people have more hours to burn inefficiently, that doesn’t justify the necessity of anything.

If that goes by your logic, you don’t even need build or stats or skills, since with bad build and bad stats and 100% auto attack you will still get there, only 10-100 times longer.

you mean without tank your dungeon time gets faster XD

No, I mean without tank the dungeon time is hardly affected. No bosses in dungeon will flat out 1 shot kill you, and as long as you have a healer, any damage can be nullified, so the tank role is not needed in boss.

Mobs in dungeon are packed in tight place as well, so you don’t need lure.

Thus you don’t need tank. Sure, having some meat shield is always nice and stuff, but that’s just flavor.

Actually, dungeons are faster with no “tanks”.

Or any so called “melee” dps in general.

Tanks are completely not necessary. I’ve done dungeons faster with 2 healers. Certain cleric class can output twice as much dps and tank just as well with safety zone, healing and kiting. Pelt’s useful I guess, but most content are perfectly doable without pelt. The only exception is from 210+ a pelt would be extremely handy for grind party. After that, swordsmen are back to being virtually useless again. No one wants them for Earth tower. No one wants them in PvP.

Swordsmen class as a whole should be deleted imho. They’re like the biggest waste of space that’s good for nothing except bonus exp and making guilds.

Corsair is nice though. Dat $$$$

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I really disagree with that ‘‘swordsmen are useless in ET’’. A squire 3 can provide very usefull food buffs like hp recovery, that if combined with krivis’s buff Aukuras, you’ll have a hp recovery every one second which is sick! And repair that you might need in higher stages.

Sadly you only have that many slots in a party, and instead of getting repair shop, you can just get another AoE DPS so you kill faster and doesn’t need repair.

Same concept explains why people buy barrier scrolls and not taking a paladin along.

That makes sense but would only be the case if no one would get touched or die in all the 20 floors.

It makes me very sad to see how they make it so that you have to neglect a beautiful class like paladin or swordsmen…

Anyway i keep my hopes high with my dedicated pelt 3 squire 3 for ET.
I really love the game and dont want to pick another class…
No tank no ToS for me :neutral_face:

Tanks… always so hyped

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You can roll over my rice fields any day, baby! :heart_eyes:

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Again you lack the comprehension needed to realize what i wrote. Let me barney style it for you, for someone with no job, no social life, etc… That is completely supported by their parents or their own money (due to owning a business). Doing something in 2000 hours that takes you 1 hour means absolutely nothing. In other words your notion of TIME is null to this argument, making things faster do not means doing is slow is wrong. That’s the difference between necessity and convenience.

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Again with the extreme example, and again it is wrong.

You see, nobody is that big of an idiot, even that loser fat kid who lives on his parent sponsor. In fact, that kind of kid is the least likely to do what you say. Loser in life usually tries to be winner in game.

The kind of person who spend time inefficiently doing something is the one who is full of themselves and think they can do it regardless of the situation, like someone who always say nothing is needed to clear the dungeon

I’m playing on Fullcon swc1 peltc3 sqc2 tempc1 (lvl 242)

for month and a half, I learn that the number of tank full con is really low and you don’t need it that much. sometime you feeling a trash.
cant hold the mobs or boss if they are higher 10-15 than you or its magic
cant support party without healer
cant deal dps to clear mobs fast.

But you know it still having fun to play this full con it seem rare right now.I never seen any swordsman HP than my character that make me proud. (60K HP) when grinding you didn’t have to protect me that much, save more heal slot for other dps and can easy hold the mobs in your cap level.

all I have to say is it’s a game you don’t have to change any things in game but just change your desire and point of view enjoy a little things that all.

If swordsman have to rebuild they’ll someday and the a lot more fun for me.

ps.I’m going to build some Dop dps for ET right now hope it’s a good one

Honestly still have no idea what game OP is playing. People suck my ■■■■ when I play on my full con pelt3, “omg an actual good tank” they say, “i never knew swordsmen could be useful”. I rush up and pull 3-4 groups of mobs at a time and barely take a scratch of damage while my party obliterates them. Dungeon clear times are so much faster than when I play one of my DPS characters and we have no tank.

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Pretty much what i got is: since you dont like the idea and assume people that do it that way to be idiots, is wrong. I think i found Trump on the forums.

You kind of remind of this guy

How about you actually take the time and realize this other dude is answering to my original sarcastic comments about how no class is really needed, not just tanks. Is like you both seem to miss the point and are attacking what you guys believe to be real post. Peeps for taking this so seriously after i put my tin foil hat: