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The Current State of PvP is Disgustingly Bad

General Discussion
#189

All the swordies complaining, try playing Rogue 3 at TBL, now that’s hardo modo.

Backstab is almost impossible to hit on people that know you’re there(they won’t stop moving) and still does less damage than any Musketeer/Fletcher/Canoneer skill, even when hitting from the back with Karacha…

Wizards have all the stuff that render you useless(sub-zero shield,theurge simply means,no backstabbing)

If you go the Burrowing route your team will simply bring the fight away from you,making you waste that 70 sec CD

#190

now we have to fight people with +50 gear:joy:

#191

Rush was doing 60 hits but only in Korea.

@fitzfeliz can confirm this.

Theory crafting. Why do imc hate swordsman class so much?
#192

so our rush has no change, thats good.

always been 30 hits in itos

#193

So we shouldn’t complain because a specific archer class build had it worse than us? You remind me of someone here in the forums before.

Sure, you have the same problems as sworsdmen do, but not all archers are Rogue3. Meanwhile, all swordsman are goddamn melee classes.

Also, for your backstab problem:

Werewolf Card : [Card Slot Equip] When attacking there’s a [★]% chance your attack will be judged as attacking from behind.

Also, I presume you have Cloaking from Scout. It’s either you have a guildmate on the other team (they will definitely see you even when cloaked), or you’re being too predictable w/ your positioning - or just like standing near CCs that you always get caught.

#194

Nope,after being 1-2 shot by backstab once anyone with a brain will start never stop moving, it’s just a natural good practice on any competitive game.

The Werewolf cards will make things just slightly less awful. Also, having to equip a bunch of Werewolf cards simply means i won’t have other cards available.

Now compare this to simple point and kill skills, like the ones from all other rank5+ archers and you’ll see how dramatic this ■■■■ is for Rogues.

You play Cata rite? You’re like the izy modo of Swordie tree.

One of the biggest reasons WIzards are so damn strong is that they barely have to aim their skills to make a huge effect on the field,that’s why the only “dangerous” swordie skills are Cyclone/Rush/Pouncing

If a skill is small circle hitbox based(backstab,most swordman skills) people can make you miss by never stop moving/using mounts also forces the “position bug skill jamming”

If you think about it,the simplest way to win at PVE is also the simplest way for PVP,go crazy cheap classes with easy AoE.

#195

So who’s complaining more than swordsmen now? It’s something wrong with your build, not the archer tree.

It’s been known that most, if not all, Rogue3 builds are more 1v1-oriented and have low survivality (which is contrary to what 5v5 needs) unless you’re really good with it. WarRock probably rolled into a different archer build now, or a wiz/cleric.

Meanwhile, the whole f*cking swordsman tree is badly affected by these changes.

#196

Oh sure, rank 5 skills being unbelievably stronger than the full kit of a C3 rank 5 class is totally a problem of my build, not shitty balance design at all.

I’ve added my insight on why melees suck so much at this game on my previous post.

P.s: I guess you got my first post wrong, i don’t have a swordie for TBL i’m giving feedback with the closest thing. Also, Cata is lightyears above other swordies just because of area coverage of rush(maybe the only thing swordie has that can rival WIzard, if only for a brief time).

#197

Dude, re-read what you’ve been saying. You’re complaining about swordsmen complaining.

Don’t even mention “shitty balance design” - it’s what swordsmen are known for.

Yes, I agree melees suck. Swordsman are all melees.

If you think Cata is easy, try rolling one and ranking up in TBL 5v5. Stop saying things you’re clueless about.

#198

Still the easiest and only swordie that can compete on TBL.

#199

Say what you want to say, WarRock-incarnate. You’re going off the road now from your original post and intentions.

#200

upgrade gears now count on TBL? Or just equipament base def/stat?

#201

Pretty much everything counts now in tbl, upgrades, effect, etc

#202

ahaha, there goes what’s left of pvp

#203

Gotta love all the shitty players crying about their counters in a pvp game that’s balanced for large scale pvp.

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#204

When the game itself has issues when there is a decent amount of players/monsters on screen :>

#207

Sometimes i catch someone with impaler and just walk through the caltrops of some archer and boom XD

#208

No, I don’t know why but time and time again the enemy team walks out of all control spells. T_T

Someone said it was due to resist but I don’t understand how they can resist raise T_T

#209

REROLL LIFE IS SOOOO REAL in TOS XD

#210

Server lag, graphical bugs, things like that…

Honestly, I don’t care anymore…