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Swordie dps will back to # no 1 after rank 8 😊

Swordman going full Str is pretty much a call to the suicide hotline. A high Dex Fencer can tank in front of the boss without breaking a sweat but other full Str Swordman will suffer. A melee glass cannon is really fun to play

they need to remove the 1 of each class exp buff
and just watch what happens

swordsmen are useless and look at the cancer from swordsmen in this thread

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remember who dies in war first whether in movies or games

FOOLISH frontline SWORDIES dies tanking all the dmg
while the archer mages takes all the glory after the war ends

My DPS sucks because pain barrier? Phenomenal logic, friend.

Pain barrier gives a minor increase to resistance against negative effects, the only effects it totally blocks are knockbacks/knockdowns and staggers. You’ll still be stunned, frozen, rooted, or just killed while it’s active. Peltasta gives you +25% HP, +18% evasion, active guard for blocking headshots, snipes, cannon blasts, etc., and umbo blow’s enormous knockback attribute for kicking enemies out of safety zones, druid invulnerability AoE, etc. or throwing enemy melee away from your team. All of the survival boosts are critical to get in and deal damage, because guess what? You do 0 DPS while dead.

Highlander gives you crown which does nothing in the full CON mage meta, wagon wheel which is just inferior to bash and vastly inferior to umbo blow for knockdown, cartar stroke which does nothing in PVP because it has to be charged, and crossguard which is okay but not nearly as good as peltasta’s guard for blocking physical nukes, there’s still a pretty considerable chance for them to go through while guard can easily put you over 2000 blockrate and stop anything from hitting you even against builds with a decent amount of STR.

Oh, and a pathetic +50% crit attack boost. Feel free to go full STR Swordsman for that +50% crit attack only to realize you can’t actually land any crits because your crit chance gems don’t work in battle league, only monster gems apply their effects, not to mention you’ll just miss all of your attacks against the high DEX archers, and then they straight up kill you because you have such low HP and no evasion or crit resist. Or you can use a DEX build and still never crit because full CON builds give way too much crit resist for you to have more than a 10-20% critrate… oh, and with a DEX build you have extremely low crit attack anyway, so that +50% crit attack boost is again totally ■■■■, and you can’t dodge magic so you still get roasted with your low CON.

Concentrate scaling with str/dex still leaves it as a flat damage boost, and the dex scaling is pretty low so only str builds will see a noticeable boost from it, and str builds get torn apart by both magic and physical attackers as already mentioned. Rank 8 skills having lots of multihits makes concentrate better in theory, but when they do tens of thousands of base damage per hit, an extra 400 from concentrate is a drop in the bucket.

Sure, some of what you said applies in PVE, although not much of it since you didn’t even know how the highlander crit attribute worked. But guess what? You’ll never get invited to a party with your rebelious special snowflake no peltasta build, because no matter what you claim your DPS is always going to be inferior to an archer and way inferior to a wizard. You’re there to pull mobs and if you can’t pull mobs someone who can will gladly take your spot. Enjoy your DPS no peltasta swordsman build that does ~5% more damage than a peltasta build, you’ll really need that extra 5% when you’re playing solo.

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Not at all. Aki arealdy proved this wrong.

Love how top arena top ranks are full str cataphract (Dodge, pfffff…), And mostly full int Warlocks, not like that 500 dmg ticks from spells coming from that full con Wizards are a pain. Haha my 12k hp bokor level 133 rank 11 arena laugh at those full con whores.
Good barbarians with that pouncing while dashing give me more problems than any full con wizard that deal 0 dmg.

Also for pve, why dont you create your own party? Had no problem leveling my no peltasta swordsman.

Fencer would need epee stance to give at minimum 6x damage to have any kind of shot at this

aint gonna happen fam

Yeah yeah, Aki and his 30k Doppel. You can ask @Proxied for his wb video, featuring a presumably full Str Spear Swordman running around dodging boss’s attacks while he stood in front and dealing damage

Wait. “Dealing damage”. My Penguin deals damage too.

so your telling me you are rank 11

but you die to barbarians and have 12k hp and are level 133

riiight…

maybe if u had hp you wouldnt die to barbs

I’m actually probably going to go very high str if we ever get a stat reset, but I’ll still be at the evasion cap without the extra dex so it doesn’t matter

Nope. I’m just saying those full con guys are not a threat. And yes barbs are doing great at arenas.

Barb 3 can actually be really, really good in tbl because of the pouncing knockdown attribute. Pouncing hits a total of 33? times now and each slash has a 40% chance of knocking down your opponent and they can still be knocked down while they are already knocked down, and the skill is extremely strong in general. The only drawback is the cooldown and I guess having to take 3 circles of barb for pvp… but we should be getting a lowered cooldown eventually. I hate pvp in this game due to balancing issues but in the quest to get my 50 points I’ve taken out a lot of teams 1v3 and 1v4 just by holding down the pouncing button and running around (though to be fair these are also low mmr matches)

but only barb 3, anything less and you aint ■■■■

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Dont forget that while dashing you get 30% debuff resistance. And you can dash while pouncing. Sum that to pain barrier new resistance and you’re Good to pounce even cryomancers to hell.

With the way the R8 class reveals went unless swordsman can pull a miracle out of their ass they will still be a pve taunt slave or an archer replacement with heavier investment. Putting something similar to quick cast (movement for while attacking, for instance, with benefits to damage) would probably help define swordsman dps and tank builds much more firmly - why does gung ho not fulfill this role?

TBL will always be a joke until imc realises having the majority of your leaderboard as clerics isn’t a healthy sign. Non-meme swordsman builds are stuck in a cc based hell right now that a meager 20% + 30% resistance can’t fix. At this point any c2 cleric build is pretty damn safe in terms of not having to reroll just to compete with a new meta.

Wow that South America TBL meta is really interesting.

Well, high Str =/= full Str, at least Swordie has 3x more HP than Archer or Wiz. I have been dumping Dex and Con ever since my QS got one-shotted by the mole in mission. Heck, Dex desperately needs some kind of buff right now

thats a funny way to spell stupid and bad.

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Go home you troll dont mislead players that swordie is the top dps like rugal and lolicker please its cancer.

Hey now guys, don’t you all remember when Barbs ruled the world back in cbt1 and archers were mere pheasants? :joy::joy: Obviously that’s what OP is talking about lololololol.

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