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Suggestions & Alternatives to the Gachapon

General Discussion
#28

Well let’s assume the new lolita costume for female wizzard is what you want.
Let’s say I buy gatchas until I get it. I have a 50% chance of getting a premium cosmetic. By what we know so far 1% each (hats+lenses+dyes+hairs; since they said current costumes will be recycle only). So when they add the new batch of costumes I will have a 50%, then less than 1% to get it probably, but to keep things simple let’s say it’s still 1%. So on average I will need 200 pulls. (should be 100, but remember that only 50% of the times you get a cosmetic item).

Each pull is 30tp = 2,4€ (slightly less if you buy in bulk) —>2,4*200 = 480€ is what I might end up paying if I play and not stop until I get it (you can argue that I could stop sooner, and then recycle stuff to exchange for the dress, but remember that on release items will be ONLY gacha for a while, not on the recycle shop)

So what is the amount of silver I could ask for something that is worth up to 480€? Well, RMT bots spam ‘1M=2,4€’ on Fedimian. So I would need to charge you 200M+market tax = 220M for the costume just to break even, so you better start farming that silver.

#29

oh i see, i think they change that phrase recently? and what does it mean? the costumes go to the gacha also?

#30

That right there is exactly why I hate this kind of thing and why I made this thread.

@Borel yeah, that’s what it means. :confused: eventually they get moved to the exchange shop.

#31

A shop that requires you to trade in gacha items to have currency for. Basically people willing to buy items with no gambling involved will just stop buying things entirely. :frowning:

#32

Which in turn will make those who do buy them have much more power in deciding the value of such items in silver. So I could charge you more than the estimated max value of 220M and get my 315 weapon to +15 with lvl 10 trascendence while the rest of the server doesnt have silver to raise atributes past 50 huehue

#33

Hey guys, just need some clarification here.

Browsing the kToS thread a couple days ago, I remember seeing something about Stat Reset Potions being available through Exchange Shop (if I’m not mistaken).

Is this the same Exchange Shop mentioned in the news? Are we going to be able to buy Stat Resets through exchange points after tomorrow? :astonished:

Sauce:

#34

I don’t think so from the sound of the post the shop / boxes are on the way but i don’t think there this week.

stats reset - 990 exchange coins

And at best you get 30pts a gacha cube, 33 cubes… Pricey reset.

Also BIS rental items…

superior warrior necklace (7 days) (str+20, dex+20, con+20, magic def+85) - 65 exchange coins
superior magician necklace (7 days) (pdef+85, int+20, con+20, spr+20) - 65 exchange coins
superior health bracelet (7 days) (con+45) - 45 exchange coins
superior psychic? bracelet (7 days) (spr+90) - 45 exchange coins

not happy IMC… not happy

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#35

Yeah and the fact you can “buy” instance reset through TP now (by recycling cubes)…

I’m quite sure in a near future we’ll have instance clears through TP too :triumph:

Btw, rather off topic but, do I really see a Battle Bracelet as one of the new event’s reward (random obtained through event cube)?

#36

yep also the gender change mirror isn’t to bad of a pull either.

#37

Because they only want to milk money from iToS players. We’re nothing to them but a bunch of cows with money, hence why kToS get hotfixes within an hour while we have to wait 2-4 weeks for a small fix of bug.

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#38

Thats not true when we had 5 dungeon runs they hot fixed that ■■■■ out real fast! LOL

#39

I wonder if IMC realizes that ■■■■■■■ with the general playerbase with bad patches is one thing, but ■■■■■■■ with the whales supporting your game is a recipe for actual dead game.

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#40

just costume type, others can’t
I’ve tried

[quote=“mrshadowccg, post:33, topic:333658”]
Is this the same Exchange Shop mentioned in the news? Are we going to be able to buy Stat Resets through exchange points after tomorrow
[/quote] UI+Exchange update is not tomorrow

#41

IMC is coming for us !!!

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#42

Okay so after a comment from a friend, I went back and read the announcement again. …

Each cube will give you a random cosmetic item from a collection of premium costumes and hair accessories. The collection of items obtainable from the Blessed Cube will vary periodically, changing for example whenever a new line of costumes and accessories is released.

I still don’t like this, but we may be getting a different cube that only has cosmetics from that wording.

#43

Seems is a way they found to negate chargebacks in steam. So you buy tp and spend in things like gacha, you literally consumed your tp, making you lose any dispute for chargeback.

Smart move.

#44

Guess I’ll post the suggestion here since here is more appropriate than the gachapon reaction thread.

Suggestion to upgrade and expand on the gachapon idea.

Think of the successful “gachapon” in the world and why it is so widely popular, Kinder Surprise. To those who don’t know what it is (since it is banned in US until recently I think), it is basically a hollow chocolate egg which has a surprise toy within it.

One thing in which the chocolate egg has is the concept of value which is tied to it. The consumer gets a base minimum value on purchasing the egg, which is the chocolate itself. So, even if the “surprise toy” within it isn’t to the consumer’s liking, they still get something of value out of it.

So come to ToS Gachapon. If the consumer (us) rolls upon it and gets apples or kits, it will leave many to perhap all of us fuming as the value of the apples clearly aren’t worth the 30TP price tag, moreover based on the ratio breakdown by @thebloodyaugust those apples + repair kits constitutes at least 1/3 of the chances.

So what IMC can do, is to package the gachapon item with other items.

Create this ‘Gachapon Egg’ which contitutes of the following @ 40TP (values and items to be tweaked):

  • 4x Soul Crystals
  • 4x Megaphone
  • 1x Enchant Scroll
  • 1x Gachapon Egg

This package gives a base perceived value of 30TP based on items alone, and the ‘random surprise’ constitutes to an additional 10TP which is not too bad for something extra on the fun side.

With this the gachapon will be more welcomed than the version now to the international audience, and the items which are paired with it are useful for every character which will likely to generate sales too.

#45

kinder surprise~

yey~

should include ingame rares into gatcha like bb, animus etc

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#46

That will be too much, becomes P2W since top game items become ‘buyable’ through in game shop.

#47

if rng for daily-effort rushing dun is acceptable

why is rng in exchange for my hard-earned money is not.

people complain gatcha coz the reward is not rewarding enough.

might as well put in Stat Reset 0.5% rate in gatcha~