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STR/DEX/CON has huge balance problems VS INT/CON in PvP

what the hell? i just said have it your way.

the way you end the conversation is so annoying. i practically have no place in here? since when do i said i have no interest in constructive conversation? am i not allowed to end this conversation without you jumping on me saying i don’t like constructive conversation?

i do think i’m right but i won’t force my opinion onto you and i want to end the conversation and instead i get this crap of an attitude?

Your language is dismissive and condescending; “why should I try to convince you?” If you have nothing left to say, throwing tongue-in-cheek comments at me is probably worse than not replying. I’m not trying to have the last word here, just share ideas, which I think is also what you’re trying to do. I get the impression you’re really defensive about your ideas, but I don’t think you need to be.

Stop trying to argue with him man, he is always right, anyone who disagree with him is either troll or twisting their argument or not being open minded. That’s the rule here.

Source: his post history.

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For cleric it depends on the build, a full support cleric would be going mostly spirit/con, since so many buffs and debuffs scale off spirit, one being stoneskin which gains 4 more block per spirit. can have lv 1 stoneskin and if u have decent spirit the level of stoneskin won’t even matter lol.

Thats because swordman dps is so terribly bad at high level, that if they don’t have peltasa to tank/lure mobs with swashbuckling there is literally 0 reason to even have one in the party. Not when cleric, archer or wizard can make a swordmans dps look stupid. For dps on a swordman like wizard there is really 1 build that is “really” viable at the end and that is this: Swordman->Peltasa->hoplite3->dopple->dragoon. Hoplite 3 gives: Free +150 crit rate, free +3 aoe attack ratio, a 0 cooldown spamable attack skill that is also ranged if you want it to be. Dopple gives deeds of valor for up to a 50% damage boost, as well as cyclone which works really well with a 2 hand spear once u get dragoon with the skyhigh crit rate hoplite gets, then dragoon which gives 2 hand spear use and also has some of the hardest hitting swordman attack skills in the game. The only issue with this build is your not that great at low/mid game compared to the generic highlander swordman, but once higher levels hit, they start to fall off and you with your sky high crit rate, starts to make any other swordman build look stupid. It starts to get good once you get hoplite 3 then just gets better as you get the last 2.

I’d say the major problem is the fact that physical damage can be dodged or blocked, yet magic is always 100% hit rate no matter what you do. Protip: never try to 1 v 1 a priest3 in pvp if your physical damage you WILL lose, they will just stoneskin and then for 20-30 seconds they’ll block anything you try to do while mini stunlocking you from the block recoil. Plus they got saftey wall and heal, so your really screwed. Wizard though has a good chance against them as do other priests, but the physical attackers got like no chance.

You need alot of con at higher levels because from what I hear magic damage mobs become more and more common and all your block and evasion does nothing anymore.

I also find the defensive stats pretty worthless to, Like phys/magic defense I mean, they just don’t reduce damage enough, your better off just going high con and using whatever armor that lets you kill faster. WIth the exception of for tanks.

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One solution… Reroll…Swordsman is the afk class in town selling repair… lol

They go full CON because spell base damage is overpowered. It has nothing to do with INT.