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Stop trashing everyone that mentions Rargnarok Online

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#1

Why even? Is not “don’t compare this game to Ro is not the same blahlbah” i have always compared every game to:

Ragnarok Online
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Diablo 2
Magic the Gathering up till 6th edition aprox.
Final Fantasy Tactics (the psx one)
Super Mario RPG
EDIT: Dungeons & Dragons. 3.5 mainly.

Each of those games is a great example of great game design each for certan things. This is not a “spiritual successor” BS, this is a “not another bad designed game”.

All the games above gave enough “Freedom” and had enough “Excitement” to make them great games.

Most of the people saying “dont compare to Ro” either dont read the post at all or don’t provide any real analysis as to why whatever they are raging about would be “bad”.

I’ll leave a little channel about game design so you can learn a little and put some Weight behind your petty “no RO plz” BS.

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#2

I would be a billion times mre happy if people compared it to diablo 2 lord of destruction over RO

OVER AND OVER

#3

Wasn’t this game advertised as the successor to RO?

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#4

Common sense is not so common nowadays. Fanboys thought that this game came out of nowhere.

#5

Nop, people called it that, but not the company itself.

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#6

You can, but not to the grind and stat system because it does not apply. You could, however, compare the gear mechanic and skill system, which i believe is the strongest point diablo 2 has.

#7

it makes more sense to think of it as a mashup up Diablo 3 and a Ragnarok-esque job system. At least in D2 I felt happy grinding for items because at least sometimes you would get something super special and feel lucky that it also has the max range of stat roll. In this it’s like “oh look, Zega Spear Recipe #82…”

damn that makes me think modifiers on weapons for ToS like in D2 would be so fun…

#8

mashup up @#$#$%$%$% and…

oh sorry I had the garbage filter on…

#9

The main issue with diablo 3 is that every monk is the same. Why would i make another monk if he has access to all of the skills and stats are given to me?
I replayed diablo 2 as a skeleton necro, golem necro with crossbow, plage necro and so on. Same with most classes. Same with Ro.

#10

I think the problem is that a lot of the people that end up mention the game just end up saying stuff like:
" it’s not like RO, and because it’s not like RO i dislike this game."

which doesn’t help the game develop at all since they don’t elaborate on anything but some nostalgic moments that happened, not saying all people are like this at all though. some make valid comparisons without all that jazz.

I personally try to ignore threads that are basically checklists of features of ToS vs RO. Sort of like what roncesvaux has said in her first sentence,but it seems that a lot of the ‘trashing’ is a result of constant people posting ridiculous stuff. a prime example: Pardonner deserv to be rework (Apologies to topic creator of link, but i really find you bizarre)

It’s now at a point where talking about RO on here is almost taboo. but this is kind of like the grinders vs quester scenario that people are keyboard battling about. maybe we need a PSA.

#11

But it seems like it is. I have seen posts like that, but are not just related. I have seen posts of complete analysis of every aspect of the game, good and bad and there are always people saying “RO fanboy this is not RO”. Which clearly shows they arent even reading the post to begin with.
Altough to be fair there are people saying it is not fair they get their character deleted for official release, so, sure, some people are dumb.

#12

Yeah, there is no good or bad side here.

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#13

Extra Credits is kinda cringeworthy though

“Include more PoC/Female characters!”
Nobody cares, jesus christ.

#14

Yes, i agree but it has a general understanding about game design, enough so you can make your own opinion, but i see too many people trying to find problems that are not the core problem, but only consecuences, i feel the need to post that.

#15

The company should clarify it on somewhere noticeable if they don’t want players to expect it to be similar to RO.

The way IMC did it seems like they agreed to it, or at least used that as an advertising method.

#16

Im pretty sure they didnt. But still thats not the point. Even if they didn’t that doesn’t mean we cant use it as a point of comparising.

#17

Comparison/s is not always a bad thing.
This doesn’t limit to RO alone. What I’m trying to say is that players/gamers would always look for that satisfying feeling and after a few hrs in it he’ll say “wow, that was fun”. That’s when that certain guy would compare it to a certain game he had FUN playing.

TOS is not the first MMO in the market. That is why comparing it to certain games is inevitable.

#18

Comparison is not bad when it comes to “not people”.
Is the easier way to make people understand what you are trying to say, by examples. Is just for convenience.

#19

Why is this thread still alive lol. It’s clear the people who complain about the comparisons are blindly sucking IMC’s sausage while being blind to any observations that they could make. That or they seriously have an intelligence issue, for which you could rightfully ignore those people.

I didn’t say it was a good game. I just think the engine fits ToS better than D2’s does.

#20

Dunno, people talk i respond.