I’m wondering about the different advantages and disadvantages of choosing between ranger and qs aside from more damage (steady) and more single target damage (running shot).
And what about limacon? How well do this skill perform vs running shot? I was told limacon can do splash damage.
Thank you in advance!
Limacon bounces to 1 extra target. Ranger 3 is so much better endgame if you use Melstis to extend the duration of glass mole cards, retreat shot, and steady aim.
i went QS 3 because i used to play ranger 3 and i find it boring, i guess i just love running shot
kinda hard to beat 320% damage (with gem) almost no downtime and no mana cost.
Also limacon is not as strong as running shot. its just good with retreat shot.
Ranger 3 might be great, i went QS 3 though because of preference
in the end it depends on your playstyle ranger=20% more damage on retreat shot
QS 3 = running shot
be aware that running shot can reach mad damage at endgame with the new red/yellow gems.
Without MCG.
A pistol will be more worthwhile…
DCG 550% does lose out to aspna 550% lol with limacon at 200%. But that’s not reachable within normal means anyway.
Either way both is fine just that 1 need more investment in xbow to do something neat
Sorry but… I didn’t understand anything 
Another questions to make it more clear for me: What are the advantages of focusing on limacon instead of running shot? Because it should have enough advantages for a skill that needs 15 skill points, isn’t it?
well, the advantage limacon have is an enhance attribute, and that its usable with retreat shot
its VERY hard for limacon to out dps running shot, and honestly you can have both limacon and running shot, and just use limacon with retreat shot and use running shot when retreat is on CD, limacon also has 100% uptime.
that being said, i wouldn’t get lvl 15 limacon over concentrated fire, and running shot with gem has only 5 second downtime
as a ranger, steady aim will be best used with retreat shot, and it will make reteat shot 20% stronger
so it is a matter of preference TBH. both give awesome dps.
Again the only reason i didnt take ranger c3 is out of boredom, ranger 3 just really bores me.
ranger 3 is taken mainly for steady aim, running shot beats all other skills.
Steady aim is great if you want your SR to have insane damage with retreat shot
I will go QS then. Thank you!
I will ask again when I get SR1 to know more about SR skills 
1 thing to keep in mind - retreat shot’s aoe scale with lvl, so don’t be disappointed shooting a lvl 1 retreat shot not hitting anything. It gets INSANELY stronger each lvl.
I’m telling you this because thats exactly what happened to me, I didnt realize how that skill works until i maxed it.
I roll an A2- QS3 - SR3 too
I have 650 of critical rate with Swift step buff, and Reiter’s skills are so amazing you only use other because the kinda long Cooldowns
Most people says Ranger 3 is better because the steady buff , they may be right …but QS has some perks, like immobilize the mobs with Caltrops , and Running shot is pretty fun to use when resting the skills cd. So i don’t regret my choice !
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Running shot is single target, it ends there too. plus it has no attribute. this game works on attributes and multipliers. reason why raw weapon P.atk and from STR are rendered useless.
i just find it funny that some people claim that Licamon is not as strong as running shot. as far as i remember i saw some SR3 Vid hitting 11k Crit damage with his Limacon. add the ‘FACT’ that it hits another target with the same damage.
edit1: people gonna say stuffs like ‘but you need to spend blah blah blah’ to achieve that damage. well, here’s a thing to be reminded, you can’t have Good damage without Running shot gem which cost a lot. buying a RS gem should be like 75-80% of attribute for Limacon.
you also ‘GIMP’ ‘ALL YOUR SKILLS BY 20%’ because you don’t have steady aim. plus, people will say that RS is a ‘BUFF-skill’, but in reality it’s almost the same as Channeling ones. reason why more players got the wrong impression on how they work. pretty sad indeed.
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Was the Steady Aim nerf on iTos reverted then? This is news to me.
I think both classes are viable. And the idea that QS is not viable without Running Shot gem is misleading. Obviously it’s going to be a DPS increase, but it’s most certainly not the end of the world. It’s like arguing which is better at DPSing endgame, which is moot because you’re gonna be a B tier worldbosser as a QS/SR, and probably slightly worse off as a ranger. But ranger is better for other things for sure.
All depends on what you want to do long term.
there are people on klai who’s running shot crit for 25k+.
+10 DGC 3rd transcended+ and running shot gem and yellow/red gems can reach those amounts
It is a little item dependant, but it is very strong
again nobody said that limacon is weak or ranger 3 is bad, i think ranger 3 is very strong for people who aren’t bored of it like me, all these videos of ranger 3 SRs making insane amounts of damage don’t lie.
i just took QS because i find it interesting, running shot with the right gear can deliver great damage.
i am not against running shot, but do understand that you all might be confused of what Running Shot really is take it for example:
25k+ per hit is more than just damage, and this means it will OUTDPS most SKILLS that exist on the game. ask yourself, why would you use other skills if i can deal 50k++ per second (assuming 2.5 atk/sec) at MAX all i have seen is 29k damage from Retreat shot. and 250k max from concentrate shot. this just laugh the way out all classes from R5 onwards. giving you the second and most STRAIGHTFORWARD FACT.
Running Shot = Buff your AA to deal increased damage
But in reality, it is not a Buff, again, i can consider it as ‘CHANNELING’ skill in which while active, you are ‘RENDER’ to do Nothing except the given skill. as such, if you do ‘ANYTHING’ beyond that point, you loses what the ‘SKILL’ offers.
if my running shot can deal 50k++ damage per second with basic attack, anything that you choose beyond R5 onwards will be utter ‘USELESS’ because of the fact that it OUTDPS anything because it is close to 100% uptime.
i might reroll one if this is true and ask a linker to challenge ET with just 2-3 linkers on my PARTY. HAHAHAHA
edit1: Go study Spell/Skill types incase you missed the point. there are Buffs, Deployment, Skillshot, Targeted and etc.
do you know why Elememe are considered strong class in their Tree? because most of their skills are Deployment type, unlike Kino’s PP which is channeling, or FF bloodsucking stuff. HAHAHAHAHA
edit2: do you know why even with unlimited retreat shot of 20Kish damage from retreat shot, they still placed 3rd or 4th from WB? and even loses out against elelocks via DPS check? it’s because RETREAT SHOT is A FVKING CHANNELING SKILL, unlike elelocks that are most deplyment skills. PWAHAHAHA… sorry i can’t contain my laugh with this kind of argument. anyways i’m out.
Goodluck finding answers here in forum. 
which is why i find it good for SR, you see SR skills got a 30 second CD, so using running shot when SR skills are on cooldown is a pretty good setup for me
you clearly have never played a QS/never seen a good QS.
If you plan on doing endgame content you would have a chrono and possibly meltis so there would be very little downtime if any on the sr skills.
Personally i don’t take into account other players’ skills when i build my characters, i take account only myself and for me ranger is boring i played it and didn’t like it.
I took QS out of personal preferences not because i think its better, again videos of ranger 3 SRS dealing 15k+ retreat shot don’t lie, its definitely strong.
I do however find running shot insanely strong as well which is why i took QS, fits my playstyle more.
Fact is that both QS SR and ranger SR are very popular, which means both are great.
Well since you say aside of steady aim and running shot, in my opinion.
QS:
Ranger:
I have played QS3 and R3, and I personally prefer QS3 playstyle and will stick to it for better or worse.
Like DieHardLancer, I’m bored of playing Ranger.
In the end it’s up to us to utilise these skill in certain situation.
I dislike barrage despite of it’s good damage because I prefer to keep my distance from my enemies. Although perhaps at endgame we’ll probably won’t have enough time to use barrage since our skill rotation will probably complete with limacon has 100% uptime.
At first I’m afraid that running shot will become obsolete at endgame especially after we can get limacon with 100% uptime but we’ll see later. Beside running shot and limacon has it’s own uses.
well i can’t say anything about that because my SR isn’t rank 8 yet, but i find it hard to believe that limacon will out dps running shot simply because of attack speed. Again i might be wrong about that
but limacon is definitely great used with retreat shot against a wall.
That being said i personally I will not get limacon to lvl15, i will stop at 10 i’d rather get concentrated fire to lvl 15.
If you want to do Earth Tower / Solomiki ranger 3 will be better if you dont care about that go with whatever you want.
you should reach R8 first ahahahaha… again i’ll leave this all to the clueless people here in forum.
AGAIN.
do you know why even with unlimited retreat shot of 20Kish damage from retreat shot, they still placed 4rd or 5th and even loses out against elelocks via DPS check? it’s because RETREAT SHOT is A FVKING CHANNELING SKILL, unlike elelocks that are most deplyment skills.
you figure out why Running Shot is so bad right now, specially in the future.
No, i’d Pick QS3 and random R5-R8 Class (because R5-R8 doesn’t matter) Running shot is super strong that it deals 50kish/sec damage. all i need is linkers to kill mobs fast like a super god.