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Sorcerer feedback - This class is in alpha state. The summon system is a joke

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#1
  • Card summons have only an auto attack
  • Most of them being broken (i.e. shadowgaler or unknocker, which cant hit their target)
  • AI is trash. Word for word, sentence for sentence, literal trash. The notion that you do not have a direct attack command (at least on c1) and your summon keeps on running after you instead of attacking is ridiculous.
  • The entire current system tumbles down to two factors: Attack speed and size of aoe. Anything that has low aoe and/or low attackspeed can be automatically discarded for its useless. As such the current system has 2 or 3 usable cards out of what… 50 cards? 60? Pretty awesome system which makes 95% of all its potential useless from the get go, aint it?
  • Passive sp regen attribute: starts at 35’000 silvers. REALLY? Who did you invent this option for? Gold sellers and botters? Because cant think anyone who could afford just 50 levels out of the 100.
  • Card/monster stats: all summons have their own stats which… do next to nothing? Got a monster with above 70 spirit and/or int. What will that do then if it cant use skills? There are only two stats which make any form of sense in the current system: Str and con. If you want to be generous you can add dex, but thats it then.
  • Card leveling: Lets not get into it.

All Sorcerer currently is, is a glorified card holder for the temple shooter card.
Not more and not less.
The ai is a failure, the summons are a failure, the diversity is a failure, the entire class is a failure, and i couldnt care less that if you max out temple shooter you can actually deal some nice dmg… WITH THOSE ONE OR TWO CARDS.

I dont even know. Unless you intend to balance all cards individually till there is a point to having like 50 of them, you will have to implement an individual leveling system for these ****ers and let the players decide on how they are going to build them.
I dont mind either way, but the current system is trash.

#2

Class is fine, imc doing fine.

#3

I don’t see where the class is worthless, its working fine, you want skills cast? Get Sorc C2 and put a point in ride skill. Its the game mechanic like that, it was like that on both icbts, they added that on KR version, not sure if it is a test from IMC or it was asked by Nexon to be implemented, and if that is the case to be added, i do hope they double the normal CD the skills have when used by the bosses.

#4

What part of being able to use only 1 worthwhile card out of what 30? is in your opinion working fine? With auto attacks, with sub par dmg compared to basically any non defensive t5 class, with a summon that barely does more than drain your mana?

Oh and lets not forget the godly idea of putting in an 1 mana/attribute regeneration for 35k starting price. What will 100 cost? 6 million?

If sorcerer works fine, then probably you would classify bugs as intended “features” as well im guessing.

#5

First off, the class is not the only one you will be using, i am a pyro c2 linker c2 sorc c1 and will go alch because of pots and my build is a SP heavy consumer, i don’t see any problem on Sorc class, when R8 reach i may get Sorc C2 for the ride skill and hold skill, which hold is really a useful skill, specially during boss fights, i just put the summon close to the boss and it does its job while i stay away and avoid unnecessary hits while casting my pyro skills.

As for the SP regen attribute, i think it needs rework or be removed, since it doesn’t work when summon is up, unless IMC have other plans for that non SP regen debuff that come with summon, and imo and in a lore PoV, it should stay, in the past i did really complained about it and wanted to it at least be halved so we wouldn’t had to stop to sit every 10 mins or less.

I think there are still many tweaks on this class skills, and many others, you people can express here your concerns, but be aware that IMC have bigger issues to take care right now, or we will end up without even a game to play.

#6

Uhh… skills always where a thing you used while riding them… or did i misunderstand that.

Summons without riding ontop of them… just auto atk since icbt2?

#7

Icbt2 at least in korea had all skills available.

#8

icbt summons had no skills, only auto attacks. The summon skills had to be manually activated by riding, but I think IMC did say they were going to fix the summon to cast periodically.

#9

I was not part of the international closed beta. Not enough keys.
Meanwhile youtube is still full with videos such as this:

Alas one way or another sorcerer needs some serious rework. In its current state, the entire class is built around 2-3 cards at best, fails at tanking, fails at damage dealing, basically fails at fundamentally existing.

#10

because of poor AI mainly. They will get to it eventually. Sorcerer right now is pretty much only good for summoning right beside a mob and let it auto then unsummon it.

1k aoe aa is still pretty good DPS for not that much SP. Just don’t expect to drag it along like your pet companion.

#11

That summon is afk grinding in demon prison so often…

Like people go afk. With one tank aggroing stuff. And a sorc summon kills everything.

I even have seen 4 guys sitting in a formation, with a sorc in the mid…
Being afk…

#12

It drains sp and disables all sp regeneration. By definition you cant afk grind with it.
Alt+tab grind, maybe, but not afk.

#13

coughs

… people can simply use an keystroke makro to auto spam pots.
Heck … it would be enough to sit somewhere in the room, watch anime and push the chug down pot button now and then.

It takes a percent of your sp/ timeslot.

I have seen a party not move for 3 hours … literally.
I checked onthem after each wave died, while i got bored.

And killed stuff there … tryed to talk to them. Etc.
Level 160+ people afk grinding effectively. about 800k/exp hour.

#14

If they are literally afk while grinding there, then they are effectively botting.
The game does not approve of methodology which allows you to gain xp while not even looking at the game.
The bare minimum is alt tabbing back to chug a potion or sit down by a fire.
If you see people who are not reacting at all, report them. Thats all there is to it, however in regards of your argument: No, i dont think there is anything wrong with this type of farming. As long as they are at least semi-present.

#15

The derailed arguments don’t change the fact that summons need some work on the AI.

#16

I never even as much as implied that they dont need.
And its not the only thing that needs work. The summons them self need work as well. Each card needs to be balanced if the current system is to stay.

#17

If you wanna control your summon, just go C2 Sorc. You can just leave your templeshooter there while he does his thing. Damage wise, it isn’t as horrible as you think? My templeshooter does like maybe 2.4-2.5k and crits for 3k, with a double hit, effectively doing 5k aoe damage in a line continuously. This is excluding your own personal dps. It might not be as great as your Ele counterpart flinging 10k+ meteors, but it isn’t as trashy as you described.

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