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[solved] Is dex really that great in melee builds?

when i plug in the red gems at 250 points in str at rank 8 the dex is still slightly more effective (2.65 gems vs. 2.5). yeah the conclusion i’ve come to is that it requires a heavy investment in strength to outscale dex and only if you can achieve a high critrate with green gems on off-hand.

just wanted to know the reasoning and to what extent one or the other is better.

ah, let me try login again n test it out on my qs3… hope i still have token coz all my gem in storage

btw, i didnt login tos for almost a week… huehuehue~

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no 1.You won’t hit that kind of high crit rate even with high crit rate gems, because equipment have limitations. 209 crit rate now. ( + 289 with ellas)

no 2. The investment is retarded for a level 10 gem. thats over 250m just for 1 level 10 gem. Even so it’s only 109 per one.

no3. with skill base damage that high as high as 16k BASE power. with no crit it’s good bye 16k damage ( 1.6 *1.5 * 2(skill attribuites)) it’s that bad.

no4. Even if you have 3 green main +109 * 3 + 120 1 off hand.Thats still 489 + 289 with ellas. 778 crit rate. This is not even enough to cover crit resist. Unless you have Chrono or Finestra. Also makes you become a 0 dodge characters

no5. Glass mole give you 180% Physical attack for 6 seconds.

Enjoy trying to go for level 10.

no3 and no5 actually make a case for str, but i’m agreeing that it’s not feasible to get 100% crit rate with gems.

It’s extremely not feasible.

Until they remake at least STR to give more PD to offset.

So we can balance max min.

Gems Gives more than what strength give which make it auto to invest dex.

huehuehue

kakor managed to summon the master math unicorn~

huehuehue

unicorn bro… can confirm offhand redgem increase min p.atk ? i feel lazy to login lar

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only max pattack for main hand.

Off hand is both. min and max + ( normally level 7 , + 185 physical attack for minimal and max)

Off hand only applies to ranks who abuses handgun , dagger shield any way :V

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i forget to mention with full str it’s 800 PA 800 crit attack.

the crit attack is worthless unless you invest 250m x4 each gem.
This is kinda dumb in a sense? Don’t you agree?

For this amount of money i can spend it back to max my even rank 8 attributes + get level 7/8 yellow/red and deal much better + Spike with glass mole parties combination to even draw out a better ideal damage?

Also you will really need to skip glass mole to make up for the lost of crit. Since the lost of crit damage is worse as it gets.

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oh, so offhand redgem increases both min and max atk

good to hear~

so offhand redgem op confirmed

bye bye my 2x lv6 yellow on karacha dagger…

oh well…

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Have fun doing uphill defence 24/7

Because critrate is never enough.
Also dex gives you accuracy and dodge. Unles you really suffer from lack of block penetration, dex is better. In a world where everyone’s full dex you need dex to land a hit.

The answer lies in your own sentence actually. Simply because playing str and obtaining crit rate through gears is not as effective as playing dex and obtaining damage through gears. So many ways to increase dmg on your gears by anvil, transcend, gems and higher level gears will always mean higher dmg even for white gears, but crit rate is only a rare few, and on specific items only which are harder to obtain, gems. Its a sad fact that even i do not like to accept… I only went 200 invested dex on my dragoon, my crit rate looks decent enough though, just not all the time crit

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I was in the str camp until IMC pulled transcend on me

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so what’s the best way to get the other crit rate i’d need on top of the *505 i’d have at 300 *points in dex w/ monstrance?

if you are a hoplite finestra give you up to 190 crit rate ,

Chrono in party quicken give you a 1.25x mod for crit rate.

Monstrance gives you a 1.3 on your total dex + 10. (scaling to dex). (so a 300 total = 100 extra) if you are counting invested that’s a different case.

Archer have Swift steps on A2 ( 1.25x)

nah cleric, the 505 is with monstrance. 515 i guess if you count the 10.

if you discount gear and everything (no lolopanther leather)

Pretty much only quicken.

2 x Sissel bracelet = 2 * +37 crit rate.
Max petamion (+14 dex) or terrallion necklace (+13 dex).
2 set piece Lolopanther leather = +46 crit rate

If you don’t want glass mole cards (recommend glass mole 10 star for more damage),
you could get ellaganos card 10 star = +10 dex each.

Every party has chronomancer, so +25% crit rate with Quicken (attribute)

It seems like crit is vague with block. Imagine those mobs that have highblock rate, it gives crit attack indefinite results. As suggested should make crit ignore blocks.

if you are meele there isn’t any issue with block until PVP with stone skin.

Unless they are going be a block increase boss. That saying only demon lord blut have it and it is still not an issue to even 0 str invested players.

Most of the case block only to archers, but it is eliminated through various means.

karacha dagger only has one gem slot. are you the huer that plays a qs? if so you might want the didel tower shield rather than karacha dagger for the atk bonus on a block + 2 red gems in the 2 slots. also shields are very hue-like in nature because it’s a feature that was [resolved] months ago

hm so if i put 300 stat points in dex and all the gear @greyhiem suggested (minus the cards) and slapped 2 level 8 green gems in a shield i could have about 99% crit rate with monstrance (no chrono buff) versus no resist.

so it’s not a question of which stat scales better… there’s just no choice.