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So Crit Attack is useless?

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#21

Weird. I always hear people talking about how going hard on DEX is useless, because you go way above the crit crap with endgame gear, etc. etc.

So what do you suggest? 1:1 STR:DEX or what exactly do i want to have?

#22

So you mean to tell me, lets say you had 80% crit rate, 200 crit attack is worse than 100 physical attack? logics?

Thats just general knowledge.

#23

I was talking about the specific case of hair accesoire.

For other cases you would have to look at specific items and take into consideration how much higher the CA stat is than the possible PA.

For hair accesoire, you get literally the same damage on crits, no matter if you either take PA or CA.
But for non-crits, PA is better. So PA > CA on hair accesoire, even if you have 80% crit.

#24

uh obviosuly CA is worse than PA for a build without concistent critical hits.

#25

Do you just refuse to get the point or are you actually having problems?

Let me make it again, maybe you get it this time:
Even if you have 80% crit chance, picking up CA on hair accesoire is WORSE for your damage than if you’d pick PA.

Did you understand that?

#26

read above why CA is outclassed by PA, even with 100% crit chance

#27

Edit nevermind i read it all wrong.

#28

[Let’s forget about the idea that you can have both, not part of the point]

on some classes, PA are better than CA, in term doin crit damage tho. the end result wont be too much different. PLUS you get boosted a lot when your att didnt crit. (you got bigger overall damage)
if you can afford to get +42 PA,+66CA,+14CR on 1 hair acc that would be nice. :joy:

#29

All my headgears are PA, personally not relying on RNG for dps.

And yes, such had would be a dream. :smiley:

#30

I said countless times on certain class section (swordman) that high dex was already not enough for crit rate. 2x Sissels and green gems lvl 6+ are nowhere close to get a decent crit rate on 270+ mobs. Even Hoplite3 with 150 extra crit rate has problems with it. Everything due to Critical resistance.
That’s why Zalciai (skill or scrolls) make a huge difference on 275,280 world bosses.

You go dex type or you don’t go at all. Simple as that.

#31

yeah. Zalciai + Monstrance. :heart_eyes:

#32

Interesting.

Im inclined to go into dex, as i already have like 130 points into it (Am level 135).
As archer i get bonus rate and also have a 25% buff, so i might make for a good crit rate.

Someone whispered me with the scroll you mentioned too. And it was his point for the argument that going hard DEX is useless, because with gems and everything and this particular scroll you would already crit often enough.

But i guess the scroll is not THAT insane that it nullifies all crit resistance?

#33

If you point it out like that, yes. DEX is useless if you have a Krivis friend with high SPR or bunch of money to spend on high lvl scrolls. But it’s not like you’re going to grind with Zalciai scrolls your way to 280, don’t you?

#34

Well, so how much DEX would you suggest picking up, as, say archer. Somewhere along the lines of 200? A little more?

#35

I don’t play Archers, would be irresponsible to state something related to that class. Search on the proper section.

#36

Alright.

What class do you play and what stat decisions have you made for this particular class?

#37

More like 250 DEX as archer. And even that you will need zalcial for reliable crit rate.

It’s just numbers, with 250 DEX you have around 400 crit rate (with swift step buff), and you need at least 700+ crit rate for reliable crit chance at max level.

#38

unless they make the crit dmg modifier up to 200% instead of 150% then crit rate/crit dmg build may viable

now base dmg is superior since crit rate scale with level that it’s very hard to maintaint high crit chance as you leveling up also crit dmg modifier is at 150% only. another problem is crit dmg and base dmg option only different about 50% (so far crit dmg at accs is 6x, base dmg is 4x) so it make crit dmg option become an shitty one

#39

150-240 dex is usually enough based on gear, gems, and awakenings.

It’s pretty accurate to assume Level 6 gems are practically max level gems for any current gear/content.

I forget the exact number and am busy but I believe something like 560 crit rate is about 98% crit chance against anything up to level 280, can check my spreadsheet later, kind of writing this inbetween Overwatch matches at the moment >.>

You’re right that phys atk is better than crit atk for anything other than Highlanders, at about 1 to 0.6 ratio.

This whole “Why would anyone go crit attack” or “Don’t say you can have 2 stats that’s not the point” argument is flawed. There’s nothing wrong with having a clear stat priority. PA is better than CA at 1:1. So? CA is pretty much next in line, after a CR soft cap.

#40

Crit attack isn’t affected by the 1.5x modifier of critical attack, so crit becoming 2x would just make crit rate more valuable, but not crit attack as a stat (if anything it’d be even lower since p.atk gains even more value)