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So Crit Attack is useless?

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#1

What i know:

Enchanting crit attack on hair accesoire is useless, because physical attack is always better.
Why? You can get 60 crit attack or 40 physical damage. And if you do the maths (damage = 1.5*phys+CA) you’d figure out that for critical hits, the damage is literally the same for physical and critical attack.
Then you take into account that you probably dont crit hit 100% of the time and realize that physical attack is better because it also applies on non-crit hits.
You would think that critical attack would somehow offer a better damage on critical hits, but it’s literally the same - how freaking stupid is that?

[Let’s forget about the idea that you can have both, not part of the point]

What i don’t know:

How does CA behave in endgame? Are there many BiS(Best in Slot) items that offer big amounts of critical attack? Do i get a lot more CA than physical damage in late game, so that the stat (CA) might actually become worth something?
Or is the situation always the same as in the hair accesoire one: I can either get phys damage or CA. And the ratio is always in such way, that both options deal the same damage on crits, but PA does more on non-crits, logically?

I thought there is a legit reason to go more DEX than STR, but seeing how bad critical attack is, it’s probably just better to get as little DEX as possible and then boost it via crit rate gems. Because going hard DEX and then boosting it with CA gems is useless, because CA sucks.

#2

As a rogue, I prefer crit attack on my hair accessories but I do believe physical attack is preferred on other classes.

Some people go full dex or semi dex just for the evasion, some take str instead since magic can’t be evaded. It’s your decision honestly, dex is leaned towards pvp and take note you need a lot of dex to improve your accuracy (in which case you’ll have a hard time with people stacking evasion unless you’re a magician)

Overall IMC’s formula for stats is ■■■■.

#3

afaik, CA only benefit you on your “weakness” atk. ex: strike vs plate, because CA do “flat” damage. (when crit).
my build are high dex, and i prefer CA on my hair acc.

#4

But it isn’t, for hair. For hair you always need physical attack. PA > CA in any case.

Let me explain why:
I am not too sure about what rolls are possible for PA and CA. But let’s assume PA is at max of 40 and CA at 60. I believe that’s pretty close to the actual situation. The difference between those two wont go much higher.

Let’s assume you are using a skill that deals 1500 damage on non-crits. Now, let’s look at the two cases:
a) You took CA on your hair accesoire. You got a perfect roll, so you got +60 CA.
Now, your skill deals: (1.51500)+60 as damage. Which is 2310. Your non-crits still deal 1500, logically.
b) You took PA on hair accesoire. You got a perfect roll, so you got +40 PA.
Now, your crits deal: (1.51540)+0. Which is 2310.

What a ■■■■■■■ joke right? Your critical hits deal the exact same damage.
But your non-crit hits deal 40 less damage.

So even if you are a full DEX build with insane crit-rate, you still lose if go crit attack.

■■■■■■■ stupid, but it’s the reality.

#5

actually base attack adding still better than critical attack
because
crit = base * 1.5
and crit attack is not so far higher than base attack
example: adding stat at accessories max base atk is 4x and crit atk is 6x
so when up to crit it will be the same but when it’s not crit base atk is better

so crit attack is much weaker compare to base attack adding

#6

well in “some class” it might be true. im playin sw>high3>barb>dopp2. i prefer CA on my hair acc because i invest 0 str. And that CA i got from hair acc are boosted via highlander attribute. (+50% CA when using 2hs)

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#7

Yea, that’s around the ONLY case where CA beats PA: When you have some kind of class-related boost to your CA.

But even then you would have to calculate the uptime of your CA. Meaning, you would have to figure out the average damage that you deal, which will consist of a mixture of crits and non-crits. And every time you land a non-crit, PA still is better.
So those two will again come really close to each other.

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#8

Crit Attack as a stat itself is worth so little that you either have to get massive amount of it (like on Glad Band) or it’s the only option available (for example, red gem in glove slot) for you to even consider it.

For hair slot, it’s actually a decent secondary stat to look for depending on how crit heavy you are (if you have low crit chance, +30 element is still better)

As for gear slot, the only real competition would be Gladiator Band/Phada vs Sissel, which comes down to your stat build/goal.

But frankly in this case it’s not that crit attack is useless, it’s that the bonus from yellow gem on weapon is way too little compare to what the green one gives.

#9

of course PA will better at non crit hit, i go CA because i got class which boosted CA, and… CA hair acc are much CHEAPER than PA. :joy:

#10

Pretty much what i thought, yeah.

So going hard on DEX is literally useless, because, just a you said, green gems in weapon almost top you off in crit rate.

And when you look at the yellow gems, the damage added from them is really freaking ridiculous. It’s almost nothing for late game, even if you manage to socket 3 of the level 10 ones. Even then the damage really isn’t impressive at all.

  • As for crit attack: How many slots are there, where you definitely get something with crit attack?
    You only mentioned one slot (braclet) where you have to make the decision. What about the other slots? What items belong in there?
#11

Besides the price, there’s no way CA is better than PA, even on highlander, because you cannot crit 100% of the time.

#12

PA > CA (false first post for incorrect reading, corrected and now makes PA even more favorable than before)

100 pa + 40 pa = 140 pa
(excluding armor type multiplicator)
enemy has 100 def = 41 damage / crit = 61 damage
enemy has 1 def = 140 damage / crit = 260 damage

100 pa + 60 ca = 100 pa
(no matter armor type multiplicator)
enemy has 100 def = 1 damage crit = 61 damage
enemy has 1 def = 100 damage / crit = 210 damage

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#13

Right.

But considering what has been discussed in this thread, one would be stupid to go low-STR.
There is no reason not to get green gems into the weapon, because yellow ones give a bad stat (CA).

So already like 120 into dex i would have enough for lategame.

#14

sadly… im someone stupid that go with NO STR AT ALL. :joy:

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#15

am doing the same… except I put in STR and not in CON xD

#16

Chill, you’re not stupid, game content is just starting, wait for lvl 400 and new gear, things might change. You’re forced to use Leather set though, Lolopanther or Virtov set, evasion is not bad on certain world bosses, like Marnox or Mirtis.

#17

Crit attack is better aslong as you have a consistent critical rate.

Id say above 60%, preferably 70%+ crit rate and crit attack would be better.

Ofcourse your critical rate is subject to change depending on what you fight due to enemy target critical resistance.

#18

im using leather set tho. that virtov set PA+CR+CA are amazing. :heart_eyes:
atm using ibre(upp+lower), omw getting ibre shoes. and using roxona glove.
got 759 eva atm (no buff).

#19

Sadly that’s nowhere near enough.

At level 280, even with 250 DEX and 3 level 6 gems (don’t count level 10 gems) and 2x sissel bracelets and level 15 finestra, you would only crit about 66% of the time.

#20

No it’s not. Can you please read through the thread?