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SAD 2H sword class

That are Doppel swords.
The hooks on the sides where used to parry and disarm the enemy.

Beside Doppel weapons where used to pierce too to penetrate plate armors.

Technical they where better then katanas harder and got more tricks a katana cant penetrate a plate armor.

Thats why i dislike samurai as a class AFTER doppel.

:no_mouth: … how can I put this :thinking: … when we play games, that are some things that we cannot represent into the game due design, balance and so on. No real life blade cut through good made plate, greatswords included. You can however “halfsword” your blade and use it like a short spear to thrust the plate armor gaps or poorly made mail armor. If you truly want a dedicated weapon for fighting an opponent wearing full plate, you will be using a pole axe, not a greatsword.

Most game developers have no idea of that, and even if the does, it doesn’t necessarily mean that would a good idea to put that in to the game. How would make that interact with the game mechanics? Would still be fun to play?

I am not trying to offend you, but when you say “doppel weapons”, I do not think you realize that German Zweihaender (Schlachtschwert), Montantes and Spadones share a lot in commom (eg. the hooks) and the difference between them are just a few technical things. It is just easier to call them greatswords, but they are not exactly the same weapons. If you are interest in the topic, you can join this group:

The members are really great people and do try their best to pass on what they know from research, studies and practice.

And just in case you think I am talking nonsense, I have one myself. I have been training with her for like 2 years, after a while you eventually learn a thing or two about those type of swords.

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Doppelsoeldner can still go on till Rank 11 without any problem:

Swordsman>Highlander3>Barbarian3>Doppelsoeldner3>Shinobi

In my opinion the Class is already way too strong for Rank 6.
We don’t need any more power creep on top of that.

In fact, I’d rather see a one-handed sword Class that finally makes a normal sword a thing (I mean, come on, it’s called Swordsman and yet you either use two-handed sword, rapier, spear or lance).

The only Class that uses one-handed sword is Squire, gg. Now we are getting a one-handed sword mastery attribute for a weapon category that’s not even used by anyone…

Though it’s interesting, given the fact that it increases attack speed without a shield, so maybe the next Swordsman Class will be a one-handed sword fighter who doesn’t use a shield but instead attacks at high speeds, maybe some bronze or iron age sword fighter from China/Korea/Mongolia or maybe even a practitioner of wushu/kungfu, utilizing a sword?

Would be cool and have some synergy with Nak Muay,too.

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They are very simlar^^
But yeah i didnt know about this i know some stuff about doppel swords.

(The most doppels use pikes anyway)

I like japanese stuff but come on another japanese cls in a game about eastern europe culture?

And for me greatsword>katana alone from the style :haha:

Dude, just a joke. :tired:

But yes, it would be nice, wouldn’t it?

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i hope you know how bad is barb 3 at this point of time. And yeah every class has new R8 class to pick and yet doppel have to pick lower rank class. KAPPA

SW3>BA3>HI3>DOP3>SHI>NAK MUAY
rank 14 Perfect Doppel
…fck life haha

I just love high3, but know that barb3 is better, even if it still bad when compared to other swd class such as cata or lancer.

I just felt cheated with high3 armor break. Fletcher 3 break armor 20% with low downtime. Not gonna talk about musket :expressionless:

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hi3now 10%armor break
test with hit to player pdef 7000 after hit pdef 6500 … 3s…
yes too low not 100% armor break same b4

skull swing now is a joke…

Doppel is so bad until there is a velcoffe 2handed sword +16 in market at 200m

lol, you are right. (or are you actually Runez??)

even if you have to golden socket this thing, it’s actually pretty cheap No resell value though.

It’s several tiers better than my +16 primus

i not runez , but that sword is very attempting… but i am using solmiki two handed sword +16 with 36crit rate awakening… that velcoffer sword only provide extra 650patk and 2 extra slot than my solmiki…

I bought it, should be a nice upgrade I guess

In one hand it would be nice but think again
R6 Doppel
R7 Doppel
R8 Doppel
R9 New 2h (C1)
R10 New 2h (C2)

R??? New 2h C3 ?

Doppel 3 is too good to be left out, and if we get a NEW nice R8 2handed swordie class, it would be either a 1-2 circle filler but then they will drop something to make C1-2 look worthless if u dont get C3 as well
I don’t want to deal with those decissions

Better solution: Make a new Hidden Class, 2handed sword oriented, as the best filler, so that way we can go:

Doppel 3 > New Hidden > Shinobi
Doppel 3 > New Hidden > some Rank early filler circle that we left behind (highlander, swordsman or even corsair)
Doppel 3 > New Hidden > Whatever the F*** you want

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R10 pacth Dark Ages of doppel

not wanting to tease (too much) but it is interesting to see doppels cry the same tears that we fencers cried before

frankly, I believe the new 2h class is coming, and I suspect it will be focused on Iaido (居合道). Yeah, I know that Iaido is not really a combat lesson, but the Iaido fantasy is something very used on some samurai romances

Scroll below to doppel section

10 AOE ATK RATIO MTFKER

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That’s with the new hitbox sizes too, (including the Cyclone extra increase) which makes AAR more useful.

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