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#1

Hello fellas, I like to mention an idea to “Rebuild Your Character”.

IDEA: RESET CHARACTER SKILL POINTS FOR ONCE BEFORE RELEASE DATE.

CURRENTLY SITUATION:
Well as many of you, I started playing without any knowledge of the game so my earlier decisions were designed for the present situations. As I level up I found out about the ranks and the way the clases are intended to be and thus my desing started changing.

Due to my ignorance in the early-game, I made decisions now I regret. I started leveling and spending my “skills points” without knowing there was cap at the 2nd Rank, preventing you from skill progress from your currently class, I wasted exp cards without knowing about the exp curves and paths, I chose the wrong rewards and so on; But, what I really hated the most was that I broke my character since the beggining, without even knowing.

I always liked the idea of “making decisions have consequences” but this one goes far beyond. I mean how come there is a “Reset Stats Potion” but no a “reset skills potion” at all?
I could have chosen wisely but to be honest I spend my points into whatever the early-game demanded to progress, but now I see that as a huge problema.

Conclusion:

The urgency for a skill reset is obvious, so either full-free character reset before the release date should be a great concept. A “reset skill potion” or a “reset skills quest” or the “reset skills at an advancement” should help with this dilema.
WHY? BECAUSE this is the early access and some things like this need to be fixed, BECAUSE the database and guides provided are so ambiguous and most of us made such an errors building our character, BECAUSE I really don’t want to start over(THIS IS GOING TO KILL THE GAME) and basically because we paid an early access, so that reset can be added to all of us.

Thank You.

#2

Us Sadhus just found out that Transmit Prana gives 50% instead of 50 INT(in the description) AND you can apply the INT to your Out of Body spirit giving massive damage. The majority of us cut out at C2 to reach Druid C2 because we were misinformed completely about what the skill actually can do. I feel we deserve some sort of compensation for this. Some people are screwed out of a skill build, and many Sadhus just had their circles ruined as well.

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#3

Sounds like your playing the game and learning. Time to make a new character with all your newly gained knowledge to make an even better character. I’m on my second character right now since my first one didnt turn out like i expected.

Ever play diablo 2? no resets there and that game is still going. So it wont kill the game. i wish people would stop saying stuff like that.

Also they have skill resets in the TP store.

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What level are you btw?

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#4

:joy: oh yes i made a sadhu and then
poooof

I made another cleric and it’s diev… (my main now, yay)

now i only play my sadhu for 90 dungeon boss rush :disappointed_relieved:

#5

Lol yeah let me just get started on the 200 hours it took to get back to circle 7…

Edit: Compared to the 2 hours it takes to get a D2 character to level 80

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#6

While I am against unlimited and free resets or interchangeable builds, Id say a free skill, not circle, reset limited by rank should do enough to help beginners. Like example, have free skill reset for everyone but can only be used prior to rank 4. Even Ragnarok which had no resets for the most of its prerenewal days, has a free stat reset limited to lvl 30 and below characters. Something like this will help out beginners a lot, esp since sometimes those who did research are the ones screwed by vague information running around on skills.

Anyway, theres a skill reset potion sold on the cash shop, I think it will suffice. If they do implement major changes though I hope they make free resets for those affected, since its not the players fault their builds arent viable anymore

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#7

200 hours is nothing, Ragnarok had no resets and we have to make a new character everytime we want a separate build/wrong build.

#8

200 hours is nothing? You must be unemployed or a college drop out if you think 200 hours of precious time wasted is “nothing”.

And btw, this game is called Tree of Savior. Not Ragnarok. And did you know Ragnarok has stat resets and skill resets now?

As for the OP, there’s already a skill reset available in the cash shop, you must have missed it. It should suffice for now. There’s really no need to waste your character just to avoid buying it. You’re at least luckier than those who made the wrong circle choice for their class and there would be no way for them to reset or change it.

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#9

lol I will destroy every single one of your dumb comments.

  1. 200 hours in an MMO really is nothing. 200 hours at 7 hours a day is still under 1 month. MMOs run for years, 1 month of casual gaming is nothing.

2)[quote=“Levan, post:8, topic:206191”]
You must be unemployed or a college drop out if you think 200 hours of precious time wasted is “nothing”.
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I Work for 8 hours a day, I sleep for 6-7 hours a day, I run for an hour a day. 7 hours of play time daily is doable if you know how to manage your time. During the weekends I use my spare time to go out with my boyfriend or go shopping. I can still play 8 hours during weekend.

  1. [quote=“Levan, post:8, topic:206191”]
    And btw, this game is called Tree of Savior. Not Ragnarok.
    [/quote]

Yes it is, was that my point? My point was to show that this isn’t new. There’s a precedence to things like this. There were games much more punishing on build mistakes. That is why I mentioned another game. Get the logic?

  1. [quote=“Levan, post:8, topic:206191”]
    And did you know Ragnarok has stat resets and skill resets now?
    [/quote]

It really seems its either you didn’t read or there’s something wrong with your reading comprehension because I clearly touched on that in my previous post

Next time, do not be cocky assuming the person on the internet is a loser, who knows she might be a Magna Cum Laude. :slight_smile:

#10

TP shop, or reroll.

We should learn from our mistakes, not compensated for doing them.

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#11

You’re the typical “But muh RO” people who keep latching onto an ancient dead game. This isn’t 2004, it’s 2016.

  1. We are individuals. People value their time differently. If you’re the type of person who thinks 200 wasted hours is nothing, you have some real life problems. Go seek help.

  2. Who cares about your schedule? No one. Do you even know OP’s own schedule? No, you don’t. You have no right to tell him anything until you have an idea about it.

  3. And let me repeat again. This is Tree of Savior. It’s different from Ragnarok. Get it over with. It’s not Ragnarok. Not Ragnarok. Tree of Savior I don’t see any Ragnarok there. Do you? If you think this game should be like Ragnarok, you’re sadly mistaken. It will never be like Ragnarok. The developers are free to shape this game the way they would want it. There is no use borrowing elements from an old outdated game.

  4. The very fact that Ragnarok has stat and skill resets now basically throws away your whole point that “oh, before, Ragnarok didn’t have skill or stat resets”.

Do you wanna know why? Newer games include those kind of features for a reason, and it may not be something that hardcore gamers might want but it’s something the publisher or developer will create for the sole purpose of profit. Sure, there are plenty of ways to earn money, but why avoid the potential profit for such an easily implemented item that everyone would be willing to buy on occasion?

Next time, you “muh Ragnarok” people should keep to yourselves, because you people look ridiculous by just repeating the same thing over and over like a broken record. Also get better at lying next time okay?

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#12

Oh you’re coming back for more?

If Im latching on to Ragnarok, I wouldve played in iRO where my characters are, or in the thousands of still highly populated private servers. I just used Ragnarok as my example because it is the same game developed by the makers of TOS. Is your mind that simple that you cannot grasp that simple idea? What a dumbo.

  1. Why is it a waste when you’ve willingly spent it on a game where you have fun? That’s the whole point of gaming, if you dont view gaming as a way to have fun then you have a problem. You are the one that needs help.

  2. I posted my schedule because YOU. I repeat, YOU, think that someone who played 200 hours is unemployed. I cited my own schedule as a freaking example to refute your claims that 200 hours of playing MMO is impossible for an employee with normal life. I showed you otherwise.

  3. I Did not say it is Ragnarok, never have I said it is such. Like I said in a previous post, which again, you failed to grasp[quote=“WickedAngel, post:9, topic:206191”]
    There’s a precedence to things like this. There were games much more punishing on build mistakes. That is why I mentioned another game
    [/quote]

Are you freaking kidding me? League of Legends, Pokemon, Rift, all these games employ features found in old games.

  1. And why? was that my point? Let me quote [quote=“WickedAngel, post:6, topic:206191”]
    Id say a free skill, not circle, reset limited by rank should do enough to help beginners. Like example, have free skill reset for everyone but can only be used prior to rank 4
    [/quote]

You are totally missing the point, you get too caught up with the Ragnarok reference that you fail, yet again, to see the purpose. This statement clearly signifies an intention to do something akin to what the old RO does, thats why I mentioned it as an EXAMPLE. To set a PRECEDENCE.[quote=“huachii, post:1, topic:206191”]
IMC has mentioned in the past that they want people to feel the weight of selecting a class, and the importance of planning out your path ahead of time.
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I think I need to spell it out for you, coz you lack reading comprehension. WHAT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED NOW MIGHT BE HARSH FOR YOU, BUT PEOPLE DEALT WITH MUCH WORSE AND DID FINE. But even at that point when the game was still strict they implemented a reset for beginners. That was my whole point. I even made suggestions that would help out same cases like his who got screwed by the lack of information.

Again, this my point, I have to repeat it over and over so your dumb head can understand.

No free unconditional resets, unless it is restricted to lower circles only and for 1 time.
Yes to paid resets, the one we have on the shop is fine, will prevent willy nilly changing but still have that option available
Yes to free resets on major patches affecting builds.

I cited a game just for comparison’s sake and like a fool, you jumped on it like I was trying to make TOS exactly like it was. Hahaha. So useless.

Please stop posting, its getting pathetic tbh.

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#13

Yes, you should stay at Ragnarok. People with your mindset are better off leaving the game.

Despite the fact that the creator was indeed the creator of Ragnarok, I assure you, he wants to market it not as that but a whole different game. Using it as an example is irrelevant to the discussion because we’re only taking about ToS here.

  • Like I said before, people value their time differently. You might think it’s okay to throw away a 200 hour old character because it’s not your cup of tea, but it’s not the same sentiment for others. The world doesn’t revolve around you, hello, get the picture?

  • And let me repeat. Who cares? I can still think you’re unemployed or some homeless bum on the street because this is the internet.

  • Let me correct that because you don’t even get the context of it.

There is no use borrowing outdated elements from an old outdated game.

Get the gist? Things fall off for a reason. But things can stay relevant if the results work. And right now, for most MMORPG’s, a reset system does work. Are you going to say that every other game that incorporated resetting elements into the mechanics are failures? World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, and Final Fantasy XIV say hello.

All the games you mentioned ARE the original game. League of Legends is basically a carbon copy of DOTA and even then, DOTA was just a mod, not a whole game. Pokemon and Rift are old games who are reusing elements because it is titular and tied to their franchise. See, Tree of Savior is in no way tied with Ragnarok besides the fact that they have the same creator. Who are you to say that the creator wishes to copy Ragnarok? He’ll get sued pretty easily considering it’s owned by Gravity, even if he was the creator of the game.

  • And now you contradict yourself by saying skill and stat resets should have a purpose? Let me quote you on that:

You say a person should throw away 200 hours worth of effort because you think games like Ragnarok that didn’t provide stat and skill resets for you forced you to suck it up. In other words, you think stat and skill resets shouldn’t exist because other games like Ragnarok doesn’t have one.

But now you’re saying the other way around? Way to contradict yourself there.

Please stop posting, because your “Ragnarok” is irrelevant here. Only one that’s looking pathetic here is you.

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#14

And I feel it suffered because of such methods. I’m not advocating free or even paid Circle changes. I am simply expressing the need for SOME method of changing a circle. If you follow any other posts about this topic, the most agreed upon potential addition is a system where you have to level the circle you reset again, either at C7 worth of exp. The players don’t mind putting the time in, and mostly feel they shouldn’t have to delete a character to fix their mistakes. There are ways of implementing such systems AND maintaining the need for a player to “progress” through their character’s life.

#15

Well my statements were regarding Skill Resets, Circle reset is another discussion.

Any Circle reset system has to be well thought of. You dont want people going full DPS builds at the start and go full support/tank/vendor, or have pardoners get all available buff scrolls by switching classes. And regarding your statement that it suffered because of such methods, it worked fine, people actually had fun making new characters, its just over time games tend to lean towards casuals because of competition. This is why most game sequels do not have the same feel as the original ones, new games tend to be a whole lot easier.

I agree a circle reset of some sort may do some good, but it has to be limited in some way so that it wont be vulnerable to abuse. Its never good when you see all people ignoring peltasta and going highlander because they can just reset anyway. While skill resets and stat resets are common in MMOs, albeit most are paid, class resets are rare. Most games do not allow for switching between classes and for good reason.

Oh I quite get that, I just expressed that 200 hours spent in an MMO is just a small part of an MMO life. In a lot of them 200 hours is still early game, I dont want to give examples anymore because people might say Im just fangirling about some games.

BTW, I too was some sort of a victim by the lack of information. I was a 200+ Sadhu in iCBT and was planning on making one here as well. Upon changing to sadhu I noticed OOB was dealing less damage and attacking slower, did some research and found out they were nerfed sometime last December. Now I am a proud hop-corsair lol.

Ignoring the guy above btw, he has proven he is an idiot and replying is just a waste of time. He clearly is lacking in the reading comprehension department.

#16

Fine, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I’m sorry for beginning this inflammatory argument. Sure, call me an idiot or whatever, I don’t really care, but if you’re gonna tell me I’m not reading your posts, then you are sadly mistaken.

Be sure to remember that the world doesn’t revolve around you; it’s my main point in my disagreement with the reply you’ve made. Be sure to take a look at your message that I first replied to that started the whole mess and I tell you, gut it out and see for yourself what you’re actually implying on it. DTiki already made that clear in his reply as to why, and he certainly did it more concisely than I did.