I know, but enchant scrolls can literally have every piece give you +3 to your AoE Defense and/or AoE attack ratio.
So let’s assume the worse case scenario.
Someone has +9 AoE Attack and Defense Ratio from just their headgear. Is this still not a problem?
Can you play the game without it? I don’t see everyone using vubbe fighter glove end game as well. So what does the +3 matters? Others having it doesn’t stop you from playing your class. In fact not all classes even benefit from it.
So far I’ve only seen +1 on the cosmetic, so x3 it’s still +3.
We only need that enchant doesn’t work in pvp/gvg and its ok
Uh… if a tank has +3 AoE defense, that is actually a pretty big deal in a GvG situation. They are taking damage for three other players. On the flip side if your Elementalist has +3 AoE attack, they are hitting three more people with Frost Cloud.
I don’t understand your logic. It’s a pretty decent advantage. Obviously other people having it doesn’t prevent me from playing the game, but it puts me at a disadvantage in any GvG situation.
Firstly, people are free to debate whether token is p2w. There are some people who may argue that it is, as p2w exists on a spectrum and isn’t always a clear cut case of full blown p2w or no p2w at all. Personally, I don’t care, but my point is that there’s nothing wrong with people discussing whether token is p2w as people have different interpretations.
By extension, it is fine to talk about other things that are similarly controversial like the scrolls and mount in this thread. It’s not a neverending cycle like you describe. If it was indeed that people complain about EVERYTHING, then you would see people complain even about mundane things like the exp boosters and costumes. But nobody complains about those. Most of the complaints are centred on what could be -perceivably- p2w, though whether it truly is is a matter of debate. So there’s no ‘endless cycle’.
Secondly, it’s wrong to label everybody as whiners. No doubt, there are some who are whiners and don’t bring civil and sensible arguments to the table. But this doesn’t mean you close your ears to valid points that legitimate complaints may bring up.
Thirdly, I don’t get why but people always bring up the argument of ‘there are worst out there’. It is probably one of the worst illogical comparisons to make. Why would you ever compare yourself to something is worse out there? It’s like a grade C student comparing themselves to Fs in order to feel good about themselves.
Fourthly, that the stats are negligible gives rise to two sub-arguments. First is that even if stats are negligible, it is still wrong in principle. Whether it gives 1 mdef or 1000 mdef, does not detract that it is a bad practice. Second, that because it is negligible, then it shouldn’t hurt at all to just drop it and avoid this controversy altogether.
Also, this argument is invalid: [quote=“roflmaopapa, post:38, topic:219965”]
People who are willing to spend at first will be like, why bother spending? Obviously they are going to lose sales. And people who don’t intend to spend, get their so called “fairness” and still, being unwilling to spend.
[/quote] Because it is also applicable to items that are clearly p2w. Removing p2w items, like removing items with ‘little benefits’, will also cause a loss of sales. But it is because we value fairness and the company’s long term reputation, that we put up with the short term loss, and think of more innovative methods to let the game make moolah.
Honestly, raise the free TP amount to 7 and with guild war winning being 10. That way players with waiting can gamble, one scroll. Of course buying more scrolls faster results but there you go.
The mount stuff is stupid though 
His logic is flawed again. His test of whether the item is acceptable is [quote=“roflmaopapa, post:42, topic:219965”]
Others having it doesn’t stop you from playing your class.
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But this is clearly an insufficient test because no matter what p2w items are thrown at you, at the end of the day, you will still be able to play your class, just less optimally. Applying his test, literally any item is acceptable bar things that actually stop you from accessing game content, even if it confers a huge unfair advantage.
He should understand that the correct test to apply would be whether the advantage conferred by the p2w item is significant enough and accessible to all players.
can you link whats up with premium mount? i haven’t seen anything in patchnotes regarding that.
You know that some cubes from dungeons drop the enchant for headgear? no need to spend real money
Discussion is about taking other’s opinion in as well. The threads I see purely looks like they are persuading/suggesting IMC to take certain actions. These are not discussions nor debates.
So you are aware of that, but choose to suggesting removing everything that seems “unfair” when it doesn’t even matter? Are the differences that big that it’s game breaking? Obviously no. I am sure there are people who hit 280 without enchants and are proud of themselves.
To begin with, is 30 def/mdef that significant to you? Mind you I was referring to the mount and this topic the entire time. I even suggest on some other thread that IMC should just change the cap of free TP so F2P can get a chance at enchanting.
These little benefits doesn’t even make that much of a difference and it’s an incentive for people who supports them. Removing everything and make it “fair” for F2P? What are you suggesting, communism? Once again, what is the point of spending then? Soon… there will be threads asking for cash costumes to be obtainable in game. I swear.
And please… don’t reply with a “costumes are not p2w” cuz these mounts stats sure don’t seem so either.
I wanna play a game where who plays more time and with more skill gonna win and not a crap game where whoever puts more $$$ wins because of broken rmt items
No thank you
I enjoy supporting imc and have purchased every dlc pack so far.
Enchanted my favorite hats to get high bonuses for my archer and eventually once we can buy tp will do the same for my wizard
Im honestly hoping we get new premium mounts/pets that all classes can ride maybe with the restriction of only in towns or out of combat to not hurt the swordsmen class people
yes please don’t make this a trend… NA players don’t want p2w items
we are okay with:
-Token
-cosmetics
we are NOT okay with:
-functional items(p2w)
If this trend continues, more and more players will be upset and quit. Stop now before too late.
This is what im confuse about:
-if im not mistaken IMC already announced that GvG between server league will provide 8 free TP up from 5 TP to the server the number 1 group belongs too.
How again are enchant P2W when everybody can get at least one scroll a day?
Because they don’t have it NOW. That’s why they make these threads NOW.
And as I mentioned, next week it will be about something else. NA community has always been the hardest to please. And why we can never have nice things. Because they are all REMOVED and NORMALISED.
Everyone looks the fking same.
Just laughed hard
This is so true
I was not aware of this. If you give them out for free, then it’s better. Still kind of scummy though because you can mass by stats however. Again, if the stats are so negligible (which they are, save for the AoE attack and defense stuff) then what’s the problem with removing them?
Ah, i should of just offered some cheese to the OP and move on 
Instead of removing enchant scrolls, they should make them tradable, so cashers could buy and sell for non-cashers, or decrease the TP price from 8 to 5, so you could buy them with free TP.
Because youd have to compensate the probably hundreds of people that already bought and sold them