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Reporting KS Archers

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#21

I don’t think you are able to perceive reality. Let me break it down for you:

We, players, are in dispute over the same limited resources (mobs). In this game the criteria to decide who’s rewarded by a mob kill when two or more players are fighting for it is the percentage of damage dealt, not who aggroed it first.

The term KS is bullshit, if someone kill things faster than you because of a higher DPS stop crying and carry on, they have a DPS class and have the upper hand in this specific aspect.

#22

"hur dur , mobs dont belong to you "

When someone atack and engage a mob the common sense say to you not take the last hit, cause you will steal the other player experience/loot , all gamer who have brain know that.

#23

you guys instul us Brazilians all the time , but this is the same thing, this atitude is “HUE”

#24

I play both Archer and Cleric. I “KS” (hitting the mob at long range while knowing that player is running towards it) on my Archer for sure cause I don’t give a ****. Every man for himself at this point when that mob spawns once every 5 minutes. As a cleric, it is annoying when I know the archers will for sure be faster than me but I just learn to get better by not giving up and doing more damage to the mob by the end thus KSing them back instead. Then I follow them around and hit all the mobs they are targeting. /gg

#25

So al this decades of online game is wrong, we all using the term “ks” without reasson , cause you are right and the rest of the internet was wrong. congratulations

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#26

So we’re going to completely disregard common courtesy and operate like this:

If I can do more burst DPS than you, then I am entitled to kill any enemies you are engaged with and you should just “carry on”.

That kind of mentality is no good. I’d like to see you carry on if a player 100 levels above you was walking around a zone you needed kills in and kill stealing you. I have a feeling you wouldn’t “carry on” quite as well.

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#27

Things you are doing wrong:

  1. English.
  2. Irony.

Things you are doing right:

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#28

I understand that sometimes archer class has more distant range and they don’t see other players in the screen, and we should not report archers that do unintentional KS occationally.

Those intentional and provocative players are the real ones to report.

#29

Your like-minded group feels as though everyone they come in contact with should tailor their behavior to suit their needs.

If you think you’re that important, I don’t see any point in continuing to have a conversation with you.

#30

This is created by IMC.
It’s the same thing as if everyone was starving and there was one loaf of bread. People are highly likely to fight over it.
Now obviously this isn’t life/death because it’s a video game but it causes the same mentality of Us VS Them.
When things are in abundance people are less confrontational because they can meet their needs without competing with other people
There will always be instances where people KS but IMC’s mob situation causes additional friction between players because of perceived scarcity.
“I have to get it first because then I have to wait 5 minutes for the next one” instead of “eh he got it firstw/e, there’s another one right beside me so I’ll take that one”.

You seem oblivious to the correlation. The less mobs there are the greater the competition that arises between players for those mobs. The more there are the less competition there is. It doesn’t eliminate it, it simply reduces it.

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#31

Ive seen more then a few how felt like you did. They seemed to enjoy ksing me. That is, untill I started to do it to them, and hey look it seems im actually a lot better at it then them! Oops.

I very much agree with this.

#32

That depends, if said lvl 100 player does need the kills for some reason I would be okay with it, but it’s very unlikely for such a thing to happen unless you are being bullied, which is another problem.

Also there’s a clear difference between rights and courtesy. OP is defending to report Archers even though they aren’t acting out of their rights and/or obligations.

If you want to request Archers to be more agreeable and allow (out of courtesy) to let people kill some mobs that’s fine, I do it myself when I see someone trying to kill the same mobs than I for a long time. But the concept that the mob you aggroed is yours and if someone kill it is stealing is just ridiculous, that’s not how this game works.

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#33

I may be old-fashioned, but I don’t see the need to be lower myself to stealing mobs. I would fight to get the jump on the enemy, but I’m not about to steal a user’s mob. I’m not a savage.

Now I may party with them if I see that we both need the same thing. I wouldn’t kill steal though. That’s subhuman.

@ShiroV2
You wouldn’t okay with it, please stop pretending. If someone is out DPSing you consistently and has the range to grab the exp and drops from the enemy you are fighting, I imagine your attitude would melt away.

Technically kill stealing is fine, but ethically it is not and many people agree that it is trash tier behavior.

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#34

You belong to the group of wanna-be-elites.
Its you that feels important, important enough to disrespect anyone else in the game.

Many times I could of cleared a whole room and gained most of the kills in it, but I didnt. Because I respected the other people in there who also wanted exp/loot/objectives.

However if an ass like you comes and decides they ‘own the place’ you are in for a rude awakening, because I do not hold back against KSers (aka self important players that should be playing a SP game)

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#35

could u please post ur ingame name ? so that others that read this forum too get a chance to KS all the time from u when they see your char…

and u can write whatever u want, KSing is Ass***** behavior, and the only thing
thats bullshit is your cry to justify that

#36

You’re posts are melodramatic to the point I feel like I’m reading a sitcom.
The same thinking happens with World bosses.
“only a few of us can get loot” where players hide spawns to try and minimize the amount of players they compete with for cubes.
Reality is that scarcity breeds competition, which isn’t always a bad thing.
Lets look at instance Tenets Garden. The only real competition there is boss, regular players aren’t in competition because there are enough mobs for everyone. However bots are there and choke the resources which creates more demand for the mobs and players start ksing.

Might want to drum down the emotion and just look at the situation before you.
If you have 10 mobs, and Joe has 10 mobs, Joe is less likely to deal with your 10 mobs because he has some to deal with himself.

When you have 1 mob and Joe has 0 mobs, there is a fair chance that Joe will try to get that 1 off of you. Either to “tag” it first or to do more damage to it or to kill it. These are likely scenarios which play out everyday on ToS partially because the lack of mobs throws players into competition with each other. Not always a bad thing but for 1 card quests or something similarly silly IMC is just breeding extra tension that could be avoided.

I get frustrated when I lose the kill too, but I’m mostly frustrated because it sets me back in time and effort because again it’s not like there’s a mountain of these things. Half the time If I go back to lower level zones I’m reporting bots 20 levels over the zone taking credit off of me, but this happens in higher zones all the same except instead of me vs 15 bots for 60 mobs, its me vs 7 guys for 1 mob where I need to kill 12, and 2 spawn every 3 minutes somewhere on the map and its a race to find it first. Thanks IMC.

#37

No you would not. And this happens all the time, people with +1 rank (or more) clearing in an area. Often the only thing preventing you from having any kills at all, is the common courtesy of said player.

If that player was like you, then he wouldnt spend a single extra thought on taking all mobs for himself.

You are debating semantics. Its not about the ‘‘hit the mob first’’ its about being in combat with mobs, in a way that didnt aggro the whole room ‘‘because your selfish’’.

If someone is fighting a mob 1vs1 and you KS them, you are being a jerkass, simple as that.

#38

In your example, Joe is a scumbag. I am being totally calm and rational about this. Do you think KSers care about mob density? That kind of attitude breeds greed. After they kill their ten mobs, do you think they’re going to watch you kill your 10? Nope, they’re going to jump on yours too.

World bosses are completely different as they are not designed to be handled by one player alone. You don’t kill steal a world boss.

#39

It happened and it didn’t.
Just a game man, if I can’t finish a quest in ToS because someone is killing things faster than me I will try it later, switch channels, play another thing for a few days.

I still can’t understand why the delay of some minutes in a quest is such a big deal, ffs.

#40

1 ) You’re literally debasing other people because they don’t share your ideals behind gaming etiquette while calling them “wanna-be-elites.”

2 ) You’re also implying that you turn hypocrite whenever someone else doesn’t share those ideals.

This is the equivalent of someone protesting violence and turning around and saying “But if you hit me, I’ll kick your ass.”