40 secs if you rebuff taking ausrine (because it is possible and the way to do of lot of people), 40 secs of total immunity is broken as ■■■■, even if you don’t like it.
Archers won’t be auto attacking when their skills aren’t in cooldowns lol, that’s a fact, and classes like SR can take down MH in a blink of an eye.
I won’t make the whole quote because all your points basicallly sums up in the same answer, missile hole isn’t like bless, it’s cast radius is pretty small, you can’t just cast it being far away of your allies, they won’t get it. Basically if you want MH again you should walk nearby your sage and of course, sage isn’t there to count how many people have their buff down.
You’re like really wrong here, even a full kino CC (raise + MF) is still letting the whole enemy team with 4-5 ausrine seconds, that of course if they don’t rebuff again, and taking into account that kino will manage to CC everyone (which is literally impossible since MF has 5 AoE and pets are counted).
As said, rebuffing with ausrine still let the enemy team with 20 secs of MH left, and to be honest I’m pretty sure that any of them will have it down or will be death since tbh tbl is based on clerics, catagoons, lancers and kinos.
Remember that the same theory of CC with ausrine is applied to MH, it doesn’t give you CC immunity either, and even a QS can CC you til’ the end.
A cata 3 rushing while troting in ausrine mode is way more than dangerous than a whole team with MH.
You say that Ausrine can be dispelled by a Miko, same goes for Ausrine lol, with the difference that probably a Miko won’t just walk straight to the face of an enemy to dispell Ausrine, on the other hand an enemy without Ausrine but having missile hole isn’t that dangerous and pretty doable.
And just to add, even having missile hole, pears which is considered a physical ranged attack deals tons of damage to a mage, so when pears are in combat which is the role of a wiz? Walking waiting til those birdies disappear? Cooldown is really low as well, and the main difference between MH and pears is that the second one one shots.
Basically you keep crying about a buff which deny any archer to one shot from cloaking (another stupid skill since a decent player won’t get uncloak easily and the other way is having an elementalist with rain) but you don’t take a look on other skills which are by far more overpowered than missile hole. Even a dragoon 2 can deal with a whole team with MH.
And yep, you don’t consider that MH is a rank 8 skill while Ausrine is a rank 5, a rank 5 skill can deal with everything while a rank 8 can deal with only some kind of archers, come on, sage can make portals, duplicate fireballs and missile hole, now compare with any other rank 8 class (got to admit that archer is the weakest this time tho, swordsman was before now is the turn of archer and let’s see which is the one affected in rank 9).
So you are that kind of archer who keeps in cloaking 24/7 until buff is going to vanish to make an attempt of one shoting, then fetting cloak again 24/7. Repeat until win.
And yea, I do have a QS3 Falconer to PvP with if that answers you.
Take hunter, rogue falconer or in some cases even a single QS can kill pretty easy people with MH.
If you aren’t able to kill people with missile hole well, you asked me if I have an archer and I ask you if you have hands lmao
Answering this?:
Is pretty sad that people is so mad because it was really easy to be in stealth and one shot one by one, now that they have to think a little bit and makes it harder everyone cries a river lol
But to be honest, by the level of the people in this forum I’m not surprised.
Btw are you my stalker? Did you read my whole history? Every time you reply me is based on a previous post lol
But friendo he is right missile (ass)hole is much worse to deal with as an archer than ausrine.
And if you meant to say that ausrine can’t be dispelled you are wrong, it can.
Even with QS3, without block pen you will need to hit 20 - 25 times a single target to remove MH because againt full CON running shot is usless.
And if you are full STR, how do you deal againt Archer and Sword full dex ?
The time you get to remove MH, you’ll get one shot / cc. And even if you get 1, still 4 are waiting behind.
It’s to hard to deal with this one. And it’s only for archer, the problem is here.
ps: I get why you defend MH that hard, it’s because you are Sage yourself. Hahaha
Dafuq which is the difference? Both nullifies damage and can get CC. And nope, I meant to say that both of them can be dispelled yet try to dispelled any swordy with Ausrine and try to dispell the same person with missile hole. Good luck going directly to an invincible man’s face lmao
It isn’t like Falco doesn’t provide Cc, of course I’m full dex with crit attack. I don’t have it as easy as being cloaked until I find an isolated one to bullet shot and kill him, + Falconer increase the distance to hit the enemy + running shot and bullet or even full draw (IIRC, don’t know if that’s the name right now) is enough to keep your distance with the enemy until MH is done. If you can’t think about something like this gg in your pvp’s mate.
By the way, is 16 hits and that taking into account that you are the only one hitting.
You play an archer and don’t know how to place yourself correctly? Only running shot makes it kinda easy, not going to mention again cloak or circling lol
Oh and that edit with PS. Just to say that even if I’m a sage this game allows to reroll other characters, so yea, I’m one of those that found diev 3 Oracle kabba inqui as a lamer and OP build and did one. I have some clerics myself and I’m not defending them, but that kind of accusations with unstable base just lmao man, I get why you can’t deal with MH.
That’s how it feels for archers, more than 1 minute of total immunity to all of your skills. >.<
Nope. I’m a SR myself, you can only take down MH this easy if match making already gave you the win at start (and not even always). And even if you use AoE skills you can encounter the R7X on pets (which is another separate problem).
MF AoE restriction doesn’t apply well on PvP unless you’re using MF on something such as on top of 15 caltrops because of random targets. Any good kino do work with it. lol And it’s pretty true, anything can lower Ausrine duration. That’s why it’s less broken than Missile Hole (archer-wise).
Being honest, sorry, I didn’t really get the other points in the next 2 paragraphs but QS can’t CC someone so freely till the end because we’re talking about teams, while you’re hitting 1 1 1 1 with Stone Shot someone will simply kill you.
I agree. Cata is too strong (kinda unbalanced IMHO), let’s say he have Ausrine and rushes, someone CC and Miko removes Ausrine, Archers can 1-shot the cata. Let’s say the Cata have Missile Hole, someone CC, Miko removes Ausrine, you still can’t kill the Cata. If you ignore him he will probably use Dethrone on your team, if you focus on killing him only the enemy team can go towards you which is also hard to deal with.
Actually I tested it more than 5 times, Gohei does not removes Missile Hole. But it all depends on your comp. If you have archer dps it’s simply the same as 1 minute Ausrine that can’t be dispelled.
Pears is considered physical melee attack (Levitation from FF 2 can make it Miss). On the same note pears are trap-like stationary and can be dealt with, you can have safety zone, you can block Pears, you can walk on Pears to make them attack you for less damage as well they can be destroyed by 2 or 3 attacks from any other person on your team. The real difference is that Pears are easy to counter with any team composition unless 5 Full Int wizards while Missile Hole have no counters at all (archer-wise) nor team can help.
I don’t like 1-shot from Cloaking too, but it’s not that bad. I keep crying about a buff that completely negates all archers skills from any circle. I agree that we need something as Missile Hole but it needs to be adjusted for lower hit count, damage threshold, less duration and/or not being able to be renewed.
I agree, some skills are way overpowered as offensive skills but as defensive skill, Missile Hole wins by far compared to any other (archer-wise).
I don’t want my SR being able to run and kill everyone in a blink of an eye with Marching Fire/Retreat Shot, but it is totally broken to hit 1 for 16 hits and for 1 minute.
While on the same reason I don’t think it is balanced to have Dragoon C2 kill everyone with Dethrone. It is not a disable-entire-class skill.
I do consider that Missile Hole is a rank 8 skill that requires only one circle for entire 1 minute of complete immunity against archers while Ausrine requires entire 3 circles of a class. And that makes it even more broken. lol
The thing is that it doesn’t only affect Scouts, it affects everything else. Missile Hole even prevents knockback from Heavy Shot which is supposed to be a spam skill and nowhere near 1-shot skill from cloak. It’s a simply deleted skill if enemy have the buff.
On another point of view:
Hunter: Not missile.
Rogue: Backstab?
Falconer: CC/Falcon damage?
QS: Stone Shot vs Prophecy?
How are the teams you play in TBL usually?
Differences:
Can’t be removed by Lv1. buff removal (such as Gohei). It really can’t. lol
Duration way longer.
Can be renewed anytime.
No downside such as carving statue and needing to walk around it.
No target limit (Ausrine have charges).
How’s your physical attack? QS then what is the rest of the build? Running Shot with Full Dex on non-high-transcendence should hit from 1 to 500 max on PvP geared players.
Full Draw debuff doesn’t apply when enemy have Missile Hole and sometimes the knockback doesn’t work as well (random).
Because that’s usually how it is. lol
Let’s take this as general. The fact that people are able to deal with Missile Hole doesn’t excludes the fact that Missile Hole is unbalanced.
But you’re right, it’s impossible to argue with a Sage that the only skill he relies on his class is unbalanced and broken, lol.
Backstab is not missile. Rogue being able to do melee attacks doesn’t make Missile Hole balanced. Maybe you might as well talk about Hackapell instead as Missile Hole counter? lol
I think for Revenged the most simple solution would be to reduce its damage.
But there are lot of solutions…I just hope imc will finally choose one and won’t be afraid to make drastic changes if needed…
No…not like that imo. It should be more specific. All these immunity skills should be categorized…if they are not…as magic shields… and we need something against that. If suddenly there would be dispell that removes all kinds of buffs for every class… that would be quite unfair against those who are heavily relying on those.
Huh at this point that’s too much to read now, if I remember or someone tags me (hope that if someone does at least isn’t a short one) I’ll answer.
I just saw something like MH negates the whole archer class and other classes are op. I’ll link hunter and rogue skills, Falconer attributes and something about wugu maybe.
Or maybe you already know all of that stuff, but then I don’t see the point of negating the whole class. Nevermind I’ll take a closer look tomorrow lol.
TL;DR: You’re a sage and think that melee and DoT attacks from archers makes Missile Hole balanced and that it can be removed from dispelling skills while it can’t. But the entire point of Archer class is Missile skills, not DoT, not Melee, even tho some circles add these options.
Yeah, I know lot of stuff on archer related since I mainly play Archers since iCBT2 and played PvP since then. Missile Hole is by far the most unbalanced defense skill that ever existed till now in archer’s point of view.
And this kinda shows that your examples on QS and other archer options aren’t really well written compared to how it is on more populated servers with lot of people geared for PvP.
I see, hunter and its godlike CC, fletcher can still one shot, wugushi stills poisons, Falconer can cc + increased attack range, full draw pushes them back (which is a pretty nice skill IMO) and even if you don’t want to, rogue is an archer. I can still listing other skills but there isn’t any point, you can check tosbase if you need it aswell.
Give you the win at the start means having ausrine? IIRC correctly things like limacon or rapid fire takes out MH pretty fast, the problem is that you get exposed, not a problem anymore with ausrine. That’s what I have noticed at least, you should be really bad if being a SR which is supposed the be the fastest and AoE dealer of archer class (don’t know about mergen or hacka tho, I’m 0 interested).
Dafuq, everybody and their mother brings their pet to PvP for things like revenged or MF lmao. Playing a kino since TBL released, if you stalked my profile as the others you can check some pictures and I’m pretty high in rankings. It’s okay, if you say that aoe restriction doesn’t apply well it may be that even playing pvp daily I haven’t noticed it lol
QS stone shot duration at level 15 is 10 secs, basically a sleep without the necessity of casting anything, if that isn’t cc someone freely I don’t really know what it is, wow it’s even a point and click.
I won’t continue reading the whole paragraph, team fights are different in every match so supposing one is a waste of time, but new statement there tho, catas are OP aswell, besides archers (and that’s your point of view) could you tell me something else being weak or balanced?
Don’t own a miko and can’t say anything about that, but gohei should dispell everything. If that’s the case it’s a bug and not a missile hole feature, blame imc for that lol
My point is that inquisitor has malleus and pearls as a really OP skills (haven’t payed much attention to God smash and that roulette tbh), both destroys a sage and not only wizards to be honest, if inquisitor are top in PvP is for something. Even a good tao destroys (okey it may be expensive but that’s not the point). I don’t know about archer class, already told you I’m 0 interested in hacka or mergen, but swordy is kinda op aswell, anything to consider as potential danger on enchanter and safe offers MH.
WOW guys chill a bit, rank 8 brought like 5 OP classes (are archers op aswell?) and 1 op skill on the whole wizard “new” content. Let’s lose our head for that unique skill, the others have nothing to do against, just lol.
Nope.
And nope.
You should really check inquisitor or murmillo, is bad to hit 1 for 16 hits but isn’t bad to one shot form afar or being full con to a class that even a kino can’t CC.
Still, a rank 5 skill nullifying every single damage for the whole team without the possibility to get rid off (okey now we have gohei and maybe PD’s but as said, facing directly an OP class with ausrine may be a suicide so I bet you won’t unless you have ausrine for yourself).
Don’t know about heavy shot but isn’t prevented from stone bullet, which also stuns for 10 secs if maximum level. Once again, if skill isn’t working as they should isn’t another skill bug involved.
So you keep saying that a single skill denies the whole class but keep replying that these classes aren’t true archers or what? Dafuq lol
It should, as said isn’t missile hole problem if gohei is bugged lol
2 . duration longer (not much if Ausrine is taken twice) which can be rid of by hitting.
It definitely can’t, no need to explain how this skill works again.
Yea a magic doesn’t need a carve, damn wiz op, we should ask for a totem or something like this huh?
It does have charges but rebuffing means that the whole team + someone else still have full invincibility, there isn’t much sense in that point lol
Isn’t my pvp character so I don’t know much about damages to be honest, still 500 damage is way too low for people who tend to have over 3k mdef in order to face the current meta. Once again, if doesn’t work well isn’t missile gold’s bug lmao, in my case it always worked but as you can’t really counter my experience playing kino I can’t say anything about your archer I guess.
Read again my first post, I didn’t say is unbalanced, I said that between Ausrine and revenged, this one is the balanced one among the others. Even suggested some change to improve it, but you keep repeating yourself again and again.
Replying someone who doesn’t event get sarcasm, just as pointed before I never said missile hole is balanced, but you are narrow minded and want to emphasize that you are the one having the reason here. Just proving that you are not, but you won’t accept it, still blind tho.
Told ya I don’t know about hacka or mergen, I listed rogue as one class of archer branch, which looks like you refuse to include because is melee based lol.
TL:DR: and really looks like you don’t read lol, I’m also a diev and saying that Ausrine is way more op than everything else. The point of having different classes is being able of having skills which offers dots and other sources of damage, not only ranged auto attacks. Actually I bet there isn’t a single archer class in any rpg that is based unique in autos, but you deny it, up to you.
And now for real, if you want to think that missile hole is the OP skill that nullifies everything and blablabla go on, I don’t see a point in discussing anything with anyone who refuses to read (maybe forget Idk) or just don’t want to see the point, keep arguing with others, this is senseless and for you anything won’t change.
Just remember tho, even if we cried about Ausrine ( a lot of people did) nothing changed, good luck crying, hope koreans read your statements and think about it
Keeping my answer short:
It really, really, feels like nothing unless you play every day as an archer. I played Kino myself and Missile Hole is something you can totally ignore on non-archer. Now, if I compare my experience with Ausrine and Revenge both on Kino and Archers to how hard it is to deal with Missile Hole alone as Archer, it is more op than anything else.
In a summary: In the same way you feel that Pears is hard to deal for you. We feel that Missile Hole is hard to deal for us. The difference is that Pears have ways to counter, Missile Hole does not.
Can I borrow your words ^?
On Gohei, wrong. It dispells Lv.1 buffs, not Lv.2 or higher. Missile Hole is Lv.3, not a bug:
100 seconds (Missile Hole single cast) vs 40 seconds (Ausrine taken twice). Still way more than 2 (or even 3) Ausrine in a row.
Why read since I never posted about you saying it’s unbalanced. I just said even if you get a solution the skill is still unbalanced, not a fact of “you can’t deal with it, get good”. ‘-’
I’ve already said enough as well every archer out there that it isn’t simple top get rid of Missile Hole. You have alternative attacks on some circles but they are far from a “solution” for numerous reasons.
But if you insist do my Heaven Piercer title as top 1 archer during TBL event says anything? ‘-’
But yeah, borrowing your words again, no point in discussing with you ^^
P.S.: FYI, Retreat Shot (confirmed since rank 6 and 7 caps) and Marching Fire (needs to confirm) both deals around 32 or 33 hits which means around 3 hits per second. Apply 16 hits on a 3 hits per second base, you need more than 5 seconds of AoE on a target to remove its Missile Hole. Limacon depends on Quicken for faster hits, you basically can go up to 2 hits a second if I’m correct which would still take 5+ seconds.
The fastest skill I can use (and think of) to remove Missile is Ranger’s Barrage which deals 5 hits per overheat (15 total) but requires close range. SR isn’t the fastest class to remove Missile Hole.
missile hole is a nightmare to all archer tree…there are only few who go for hunter2 or falcon3 @_@…before an archer eliminates all of the MH life he is already dead…not unless he got very good items to defend himself…hehehe =)