Revolving your classes and playstyle around buying scrolls from R8 people sounds expensive.
People don’t even buy potions so it’s hardly going to effect things drastically.
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This is an MMO. You’re supposed to play with other people, not scroll-solo your way up.
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Of course, elememes never take care about the other classes. Hoping they got nerfed
I have an Elememe, I care about the other classes. You do realize Elememes are in the same state as the other classes in the Wizard tree, right? Sorry, but I think you’re kind of making a ridiculous statement that doesn’t even make any sense.
IMC said at one point they were going to rework Pardoners but I guess they’re not since we’re getting Enchanters that do the same thing. It’d be nice for them to sell skills and buffs that have NOTHING to do with other skill class and instead have UNIQUE buffs. Is that really so hard to do?
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If anyone, with a Wizard character, here, can’t find any party to do missions, (daily) quests, grinding, farming, or even ET, once this feature really does become a reality, please don’t be shy and just mention me. I will accept you in my party, even if you didn’t plan your character’s build beforehand. I have a group of friends which I’m 100% sure agrees with me. Whether you’re a DPS, Support, or both, no matter how useless the majority of people think your build is, I would be happy to invite you in. After all, I played this game for the fun, not for the win.
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Why would they care if no one care about elememe too.
I hope everything OP including the support class (cleric 2, chrono 3, diev 3) get nerfed to oblivion, such that this game has no special combo to be discovered anymore.
And we finally can quit the dead game.
remove enchanter ability to create scroll
Seriously? 99% of the players out there are noobs and don’t even use the daino scroll (and other useful skill scroll) which is much cheaper and ensure their pardoner buff to not being cancelled.
You are expecting them to use the enchantor scroll which needs to be used more frequently and probably be much more expensive?
The only thing the enchantor scroll such as JP scroll will do is to open up more possibility for meta build instead of the current elememe meta, because you can actually incorporate many single target DPS into party instead of elememe which don’t require linker to function (that’s partially the reason why elememe is meta now, they don’t need linker in party to function well, but others need the linker).
Well, looking at the comment, I can safely bet that most player here never think of different method to play the game (grinding, ET, WB, pvp/gvg) anyway. Or even worst, most of the people here is probably not even at above 260, which is where the end game starts.
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What, in the same state? in almost every party there is a unique fixed rol which is elememe, they are far far away from the other wizard classes. Also they can grinding alone. Chrono/Linker are forced to play in party, but guess what? if you can roll their buffes they are going to be replace for other dps.
Elememes only can be happy with the new ranks. Now they dont have to depend on their bitch chrono.
I’d be alright with this, but how Unique would be Unique? I’d simply be alright for some decent buffs, considering Pardoner itself does have some buff skills that could be good if they had a unique buff extension scroll or something.
Though, to be fair, I’m actually not sure that Enchanter will absolutely destroy viability. Normal players I’ve seen in this game don’t particularly know what a campfire is, or where to buy decent pots from. Most expect to be hand held by a Cleric if they’re in the vicinity of one.
Also add up to the fact that getting scrolls for JP would most likely cost a crapton for anyone buying them alone, it’d be a cosmic sinkhole of silver. While I think it would be possible, having a constant supply of Linker and Chrono based scroll things would seriously dampen your own power. I honestly forsee Linkers and Chronos using the scrolls themselves to double dip with especially Linker’s cooldowns.
But now you enter the Paladin conundrum of useful skills people love, but are too guilty of arguing that they destroy people’s want to make a class.
I think Skill Scroll will NEVER ever break the game, those who speak like that about pardoner and “affected” cleric classes kinda know not the other potentials of such classes.
I’d like to remember that the cost of Pardoner skills (if you craft them yourself, which do even result in a more expensive price if you buy them off market) is 700 silver per skill level, meaning a Lv1 Skill costs 700 silver to craft while a Lv15 Skill does cost 10.500 Silver (Which probably means your’re gonna buy Lv1 for 1.5-2k off market and Lv15 ones for 15k-20k).
That being said, I do not understand why people say Krivis and Paladin are useless. It’s not like you’re gonna carry all Lv15 scrolls on your inventory, unless you’ve had a robbery or won the lottery.
Lv15 Aukuras (Krivis skill) has the hidden effect to reduce nearby enemies accuracy by 58%, not to mention the combination with Squire’s Yogurt effectively making health recovery trigger every second. Would you spend 15-20k every 4 minutes or so just to keep that combo up?
Lv15 Daino (Krivis Skill), the scroll lasts for 200 seconds while the cost would still be 15-20k. By the moment you’ll really need that much buff limit increase, are you really going to spend 15-20k every 200 seconds?
But as for Krivis, I’d like to give proper space to Melstis… How can it be affirmed that Krivis is “Useless” given such a godlike skill? Did you ever try using Melstis while those “few seconds” immortality buff are on? Well, you should, since Melstis stops the time of the buff giving eternal life to your party.
About Paladin, I’m gonna make a proper analysis as well:
Lv15 Restoration (with maxed attribute) means 437 HP Recovery (which translates to 174 Magic Amplification for Animus users). I’m not sure you’re gonna spend 15-20k for 1 minute buff. Furthermore, the skill doubles the fixed amount of the healing cell making them become 5% + double fixed amount. At last, if you even combo Lv15 Aukuras + Lv15 Restoration + Squire’s Yogurt the amount of healing received for the party would show being greater than the Cleric’s heal cell overtime.
Lv15 Resist Elements (which can’t be scrolled) is something very unique about Paladin. As for now it applies as flat reduction, but on kTOS it’s already been changed to % property reduction making it much more effective. Furthermore, when casted in Boss fights, the Boss will suffer -Magic Defense as long as the Buff/Debuff is up which already makes the Paladin have 2 ways to greatly enhance the Magic DPS (Restoration and Resist Elements), but that’s not all!
Lv5 Conviction (Paladin Attack) reduces the enemy property resistances by 100 (120 at Lv6), further enhancing such magic property attacks as well as enhance the property procs of headgears/equip and so on. Even if you have 1 of each property element that only increase property attack by 1 each, conviction will make them become 100+1 each, imagine that with more “additional damage” procs in a whole party scenario, this further is a great dps boost MAINLY in multi-hit skills.
That being said, how the hell can Krivis and Paladin be said to be useless?
I’m sure this will apply to Enchanter scrolls as well, remember that attributes play a GREAT role in skills. As for now, we do only know about Joint Penalty that can be scrolled… The one that most benefits of the scroll would just be the linker… do you ask why?
If price is gonna be alike Pardoner ones, that means you will need Lv4 Joint Penalty Scroll (5 Monsters Linked), which means 2.8k craft price (probably 4-5k spent if not more due to the fact that raising a character to R8 isn’t that easy). I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to spent 3-5k every 22 seconds to link monsters, that would burn you out.
On the opposite, linkers will give a great boost to the party by using lv1 scrolls, that’s because Skill Scrolls DO use attributes and joint penalty can be stacked more than one time, this means further 50% Poison/Earth/Lightning damage boost for party members!
Same goes for the possible Chronomancer’s Skill Scrolls (Quicken/Haste), their duration is too low to ever consider buying them for everyday use, probably haste only could have a use but it would still be expensive lol.
Furthermore, the true Chrono’s potential is, other than being able to use those skills (and their ATTRIBUTES), on crowd control, “Pass” is not ever gonna be made scrollable, it’s a circle3 skill just like Barrier of Paladin but it would be too gamebreaking to be so, although it has a 50 seconds cooldown… but even if it will be made scrollable, the means spending 3.5k-5k or even more every 50 seconds just to use that…
Summary: the only Skill Scrolls with GREAT potential are those that work at Lv1 being the most efficient in terms of effect/price, this means that ONLY skills that do scale off a stat are the ones that make it worth using the scroll.
For me, those are:
Lv1 Restoration - Double fixed amount of each heal tile is a great investment.
Lv1 Barrier - Huge M.Def boost for pure SPR classes, besides the crowd control abilty!
Lv1 Monstrance - Huge DEX boost to pure DEX classes
Lv1 Aukuras - 30% Accuracy reduction + “provoke” is never bad, it greatly boosts evasion.
Lv1 Zalciai - Just another skills that scales off a stat, very great on SPR based classes.
Lv1 Daino - Just to off that little extra buff limit.
Would Lv1 of “wizard” skills ever have such a potential? I think no, so far only Reflect Shield scales off a stat, but Lv1 only makes it be in effect to defend 2 hits which makes it rather useless to use as scroll.
Possible GREAT Enchanter Scrolls could be:
- Lv1 Surespell
- Lv5 Enchant Fire
- Lv1 Subzero shield (Although I think this is less likely to be scrollable)
- Lv5 Physical Link (By when it will be fixed, but I even doubt about it being scrollable)
- Lv1 Reversi (This is the only skills of Thau which makes sense being scrollable, thau buffs are even too weak without scrolls… which then again, just like linker, would make sense only if Thau uses those Lv1 scrolls in case the Thau would like to raise the other skills, by having both low Lv skill + lv1 skill scroll he’d be able to keep the buffs up as well as renouncing not to maxing or investing skill points into other skills)
- Lv5 Summon Servant (Buff skills, makes lot of sense if it’s scrollable)
- Lv1 Summon Salamion
Are those gamebreaking? I think no…
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The general deal is that you can’t even find scrolls past level 1 sold at present.
Which doesn’t bode well for Enchanter and consumers of Enchanter.
Shoot level 15 Aukuras can be very useful but its not being sold.
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Most people use Restoration as a filler simply due to the healing power of its secret interraction. The thing is with it, is that you can’t change the Restoration’s recovery rate, but it doesn’t clash with things such as Aukuras.
Underrated as hell, and alot of people don’t properly recognize this as one of the better Team Oriented anti-magic buffs. I know for a fact that the Dragoon friend I made my Paladin with appreciated just how many times 19% magic nullification came out to play. The Flat reduction is alright, but as you said with kToS, now it’s % reduction AND % nullification AND a magic def reduction. It’s a very loaded skill.
I think people don’t really give the skill enough credit as it benefits multi-hit magic casters, but it bolsters flat magic damage that’s not quite 100% uptime but the damage seriously adds up quickly.
Paladins are very underrated to magic compositions, it just doesn’t help the case that a skill we worked hard to obtain can be usable by everyone, y’know? It sort of just makes people not value the rest of our kit. As for Krivis, lol. I haven’t seen a shortage of all types of Krivis’ at all.
But you are right in that with even a wide selection of Wizard skills, only a few of them would even be considered. I mean, for instance, Pardoners could sell Level 15 Heal and Cure scrolls over the market, but there’s no need and no demand for either of those spells. Level 15 Aukuras, while being an amazing regen and DEX-bolstering device, is extremely underrated and there’s barely any Krivis-brand Pardoners because of it.
I’ve gone to the market board multiple times looking for level 15 Aukuras and couldn’t find one to my disappointment.
Also wanted to see if Ein Sof could be spell scrolled but I don’t see jack on R7 info.
Or bot. Or RMT (silver OR tokens). Or via exploits. Theres a huge potential to tip the game even more in their favor if they get enchanter wrong.
By in the same state, I meant every class in the whole Wizard tree’s skill can be made into a spell scroll by Enchanters if they do exist. You are dumb, but I don’t expect you to be this dumb. Was is that hard to understand?
Now, if Elememes can use JP, then Linkers should be able to use FC. What’s the difference?
Besides, in this game, rerolling is easy. You can get to rank 7 in just a week.
That requires a krivis 3 pardoner 3. If you want them that bad you can make your own you know.
Triple FC, what’s not to love? :3
I see alot of complaining and not enough thank yous for being able to fill a little void of what you need in a group
When is the last time you seen daino scroll being used in grinding party?
FC without atributes and without quickcast is garbage. But jp without attributes is still useful, and also fc is a spamable skill, you will have to buy a lot more. Really u think people is going to use linker with fc scroll to be a dps, dont make me laugh. Think just a little if u can, people is gonna roll a elememe and buy jp scrolls or roll a linker and carry fc scrolls?