Tree of Savior Forum

Remaking Dragoon for C2

Class and Rank Swordsman
#61

You can have both Bash 3 and Pain Barrier 5, right ? I don’t see a problem

My pelt1>hop3>doppel1>dragoon have only 3 kd: Bash + Umbo Blow + Mordchlag (Long Stride cd is too much to mention) and Bash is the best kd:

/When you face north, all mobs will be kd to the north, the distance between kd mobs stay the same. Mordchlag/Earthwave/Doom Spike will make mobs fly all over the place
/The kd distance is not too far like max attribute Umbo blow, fast animation

There will always have some ppl gone batshit with the tiniest of things. Like when i play fifa, some trigger because i do 1 normal slide. No need to let ourself be affected by them, unless you really use it at the wrong place :sweat_smile:

#62

I still don’t find it that necessary, it did help on my other swordsman, but I can live without it on a different build (especially since I already made the decision by now), at worst I’ll see if I really need it later after capping, and if it is the case I’ll wait for a free skill reset from IMC Kappa.

But I’ll change it on the build just so that people get less triggered about it or repeat what was already said.(and of course, for those who plan to follow this for some reason)

Again, still more concerned about the DPE part, need answers…

#63

DPE is really great. As long as you have at least lvl 2, it fine. So up to you (I prefer lvl 4 because Mordchlag is just for kd, if you want damage maybe auto-attack is stronger)

DPE does not work really well with Stabbing and Cyclone and any true multi-hit skill :neutral_face: (but seem ok for fake multi like Pierce) I mostly use DPE when there is a strong nuker in party. Use swashbuckling to pull ~15mobs, active DPE and wait for Elememe blow all of them in 3s. 100% extra exp. Same goes for Siaulai mission

#64

That’s helpful, didn’t know it applies even if allies kill the monsters…

Seems like I could have invested those points from spear lunge testing into Lv8 pierce for a somewhat-legit nuke, oh well…

I’ll get Lv4 then.

Updated main post with the final skill distribution, for those interested into stats allocation, I went with 20DEX/100CON/rest into STR, mainly because high level gloves are good enough to have max accuracy, and being able to switch gloves to proc sissel is not bad at all (I had 80DEX on my old swordsman and it was harder for me to proc sissel although it wasn’t impossible either).

Which means, you might want to consider a different distribution for points according to your own use & playstyle in case anyone is willing to follow this build.

EDIT: Changed the build as public, with explanations for every circle for anyone willing to follow it.

#65

What route would be best for pve dps build
pelt-hop-cata3-goon
pelt-hop3-doppel-goon
pelt-hop2-cata2-goon

#66

this /20chachachacha

#67

Pelt-hop3-Cata-Goon?.

#68

Yup. Cata c2 misses Rush which is the best Cata skill and cata isn’t the best PvE swordies class. Doppel gives you a nice damage and hop3 allows you to crit with little to no dex.

#69

pelt-hop-cata3-goon: No spear lunge, you only have trot & rush, doesn’t actually help dealing damage much, good for luring, farming and some pvp from time to time still.

pelt-hop3-doppel-goon: legit damage dealing with deeds of valor & spear lunge(although the 3rd circle is not entirely necessary).

pelt-hop2-cata2-goon: spear lunge is nice but cata doesn’t make use of it, the only pierce type skill cata has is doom spike and it kinda sucks compared to Dragoon’s dragon tooth, so its a waste to pick cata 2 (and also you won’t have trot uptimed) definitely not the best for damage dealing.

Out of the 3, pelt-hop3-doppel-goon is obviously the best choice for PVE DPS.

#70

how about the
pelt-Hop2-Cata-Doppel-Goon ?
get mobility. still have hop3-+ doppel for extra kick

#71

The issue is, C1 cataphract doesn’t provide the true mobility of cataphract, not only the movement speed buff is is still low, but you also can’t uptime it, that’s not what cataphract is for.

You will also be unnable to use cyclone while mounted, which is one great dopel skill (trust me, mounting & unmounting is a bad idea).

In which case, Cata C1 won’t benefit you in any way almost minus being able to use 2H spears at a lower level.

#72

any alternatives to Hop3 since it isnt neccesary?

#73

I came up with this barbarian build…you can try to search for something else if you don’t like it, although there’s not much to be changed as mentioned above by other people, if you don’t like the idea of barbarian and still want more DMG, you will have to go for hop C3 for more crit rate on finestra and higher stabbing level, I still don’t believe spear throw is that good, possibly only for spamming waiting for your cooldowns to be up.

But if you want more change and more DPS, you will have to drop Dragoon most likely, especially if you are aiming for R8.

#74

this barb build be like
Highlander-b3-doppel3?

i havent fully decided yet tho
so far i have Sw1-Pelt1-Hop1

Could go The catagoon/hopgoon/ or hop3/Cors/shinobi

#75

this barb build be like
Highlander-b3-doppel3?

Well, if you don’t even know what I’m talking about, go to the first post and click the build there…

#76

My Bad. I see. Thank you

#77

If you want a little mobility, mount a penguin. Otherwise, fully commit to cata c3.

#78

Spear lunge’s multiplier and application power does not go up with skill level.

It is 50% and has the same application power (resisted by spirit) as any other level 1(NOT skill level) debuff.

#79

I’m pretty sure neither I nor the other person who mentioned the Taiwan forum said “it increases damage” or “increases its modifier”.

We both tested and concluded that it “stabilize” the damage, at level 1 you will have a large damage variance, which for some reason narrows (to a better value near maximum damage) / become less likely to hit with the lowest damage variance the higher the skill level goes.

Unfortunately, this is RNG, we can’t take odds as facts, and if it makes you feel better, the the build on the OP has it at Lv1 with explanation as to why it would probably be better to get it to Lv5, and I left it as player choice.

#80

It does no such thing, and in fact such functionality is seen nowhere in the entire game.