Finalized into this:
Thanks to everyone who contributed by answering in this thread.
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For best multipliers Sw1-High1-Hop2-Cor2-Drag2
Consider High1 in yours as well if you can switch. But ofc pelt is nice in any game mode.
Overall I believe your build is very good.
I also am sw2, waiting for buffs.
UPD. Fixed. Going to go get some sleep.
I donāt see how highlander can help me with 2H spear to deal more damageā¦
I heard sword 2ās gungho/concentrate will get a buff that increase the bonus based on your STR? which is why I was considering sword 2 instead.
But that always depends on whether or not Peltasta C1 is still THAT NECESSARY even if you are going for full damage or not.
Iād say go Doppel if you want DPS. SW>HL3>Barb>Doppel3 or SW>HL>Barb3>Doppel3. HL3 gives you bleeding (great with high STR) and armor break. Barb3 gives you Warcry (to combo with DoV) and Pouncing.
One could get Pelt instead of HL if going Barb c3. I wouldnāt ditch Barb c1 for pelt though (cleave debuff).
Do you want high swordie damage or highest damage Dragoon build?
Highest damage 2H spear dragoon build, not willing to get into some weird shinobi/corsair ā ā ā ā xDā¦
Corsair gives you Hexen Dropper which is very strong specially with Hop c2. If you donāt want Corsair, itās Doppel at rank 6, Dragoon at 7-8, Barb at 3-5. So, basically, you want sw>?>?>?>barb>doppel>dragoon. Rank 2 options: pelt for easy leveling; HL for Cartar Stroke and Crown. Rank 3 and 4 options: Hop or Barb. If youāre aiming Dragoon c2, then Hop is the way to go. There aināt much changes you can make IMO.
Iād change a few things skills wise:
- low guardian (1 point). Incoming change (and you have Gung Ho) will make you not use this skill probably at all;
- 1-2 points in DPE. It wonāt give you DPS directly but will give you xp and loot which translates into higher level and better equipment and that means stronger character.
Thanks for the feedback, as I mentionned earlier, I can use my Cataphract 3/Dragoon for farming when it comes to loots, but that doesnāt sound like a bad idea either, since punish is a one hit skill and it wonāt really be worth that muchā¦
So, should I be dropping it entirely for DPE (since I already have enough pierce type skills to begin with) or get Mordschlag (doesnāt look that great eitherā¦) ?
I believe cyclone/Dragon Soar would cover me when it comes to slash type at least, just not sure if I should pick Mordschlag for strike or not, not as if it will make much difference since I have no skill that can buff it damage-wise.
There is not much to say, you build is current the best one for spear weapon damage wise for pve , if we take in account everything so far.
Just to say the slash debuff from cleave works the same as spear lunge , but with only 50% and lower duration, but hey it haves 3 overheat and also there is only the need for one rank.
doppel as well since you are going for it, it also way better than corsair, hexen dropper is without doubt one of the best skills swordsman can have for pierce, but letās not forget that it need 2 ranks to obtain, where doppel is one rank alone with cyclone and cleave you will do a lot more damage in the long run if you had choose corsair and there is not even mention the AOE kit that cyclone would give to the build and cleave 50% damage debuff will always be good for future choices as well, since dragoon already have dragon soar as slash and maybe can gain more slashs in the future.
on a side note, never neglect shield-one hand spear, they have lower damage than 2hand of course, but is always nice to have in your possession so you can Swap when there is a need for tanking, since petal1 alone is also one of the best one rank āonlyā class just like doppel.
on a side note: i have the same catas as you, and after a lot of research i also started a new hop damage with the same build as well, but got bored at rank 5, since i already had a main with spear i choice to let it wait for a little, now iām doing a fencer-shinobi, too, maybe we can up together what server you are playing?
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Switch -> Crossguard -> Block attack with it -> enemy gets āget more dmg from pierce attackā debuff which is also pretty strong, dont know exact numbers, like 50-100%
- it also can block attacks in pvp and imbalance targets xD
Levelling without pelt is a nightmare. Seriously. Donāt do it. UNLESS you are really full retarded dps, in which case Crossguard + Spear Lunge + Serpentie + stronk pierce attacks => retarded burst damage to boss, etc
I wish no switch was needed like with archers tho =\
In my experience using cross guard 15 with most stat points in STR it barely ever successfully blocks against bosses.
Leveling without peltasta is an absolute joy. Cartar Stroke is stronger than Dragoonās Dragontooth (highlander skills have more total damage scaling than dragoon) and you can 1-shot huge packs of enemies until you get all the way to truffles.
Yeah I realized 1h spear can be very good too, especially if paired with karacha/arde dagger since both add a lot of damage to medium sized targets, which is very good for mobing.
The only issue I have with shield isā¦when I canāt tank 
ie: Mage Tower, leveling through that dungeon was hell for me, not only I got no loots, but I was also provoking just to die from magical attacks that I canāt dodge whatsoever.
Which is why Iām considering 20 DEX 100 CON and the rest of the points to go STR for this build, I will definitely need more HP due to DoV.
As for where I play, Iām on Orsha as of currently, willing to remake on the same server since I already have 2 sissel bracelets covered (reason why Iām going for low DEX) and Catacomb spear, I still need a Max Petamion but that would have to waitā¦
@sttr413 First time I read that crossguard makes targets more vulnerable to pierceā¦ I can probably go for that, it will be the same deal as switching for shield anyway, since as I mentionned, I donāt think pelt for tanking on that build is a good ideaā¦
The issue is, I think the only viable tank is one with mobility to dodge as well, or ability to protect itself against magical damage, I was able to survive on my old main thanks to Cataās Trot skill, by provoking and keeping myself safe when dodging, but I do not think that is possible on this build, provoking in dungeons will most likely lead to certain death (especially if we are talking about mage tower) .
@Turbosodomy That sounds very tempting, especially for leveling without getting bored, and of course no tanking risk in dungeons, I always end up being the meatshield even if I donāt want to, I rather take mobs down one at a time
What about cross guardās vulnerability duration? because switching weapons to deal damage can actually be a problem for meā¦that being said, I can definitely have a 2H sword to switch with and especially for leveling until I reach Dragoon (not allowed to use 2H spear until then); Also, does it stack with spear lunge? I might be more interested into Highlanderās other offensive skills in the end, if they truly deal more damage than Dragoonās, that would be pretty good (especially when weāre talking about Strike type Cartar Stroke).
Opinions? Really donāt want to go Peltasta because I wonāt be able to do my job better than other swordsmen who go full tank or tank+mobility, especially when Iām supposed to be an actual DPSā¦
Idk if that is a good idea. Iām quite sure Cartar is nowhere near dragoon skills. It does three solid hits, sure, but the damage is nothing fancy lategame. Just a solid 3-hit skill, even if with overcharges. The thing is - currently you will generally not want it above lvl 3, maybe more with next ktos patches where it is 50% faster cast.
And tbh, in your place I wouldāve still gone pelt. Cuz shield lategame is an important thing, and if you want offhand instead go corsair, if want to use 2h spear - just set 1h+shield to the offslot. + HP + provoke = you are wanted in pty. levelling non-pelt is a nightmare IMO.
Ask some highlander for more crossguard details, I fall flat here. But I understand they do stack.
As Iāve said - I like your build, It really is a good take on a standard PvE doppel-dragoon.
Alright, Iāll go for pelt then, will definitely struggle with magical mobs but I hope dumping 100 point on CON will save me from that ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
are you sure ?
maybe magic boss ?
Yes, iām sure.
Cartar stroke is 4 hits of 150% damage, 600% total.
Dragontooth is 6 hits of 100% damage, 600% total.
Cartar has slightly lower base damage, but still does more damage because:
- the enhance attribute is a loooooot cheaper
- it only gets reduced by enemy defense 4 times, not 6.
Cartar stroke does the most DPS at level 1 because it has charge time.
Dragontooth does the most DPS at level 1 because it has charge time.
Cartar stroke is 336 damage per skill point.
Dragontooth is 360 damage per skill point.
Cartar stroke has overheat and Dragontooth doesnāt (lol)
Skyliner w/ bleed is 2 hits of 200% damage, 400% total. 3 overheats for 1200% total.
Serpentine is 7 hits of 100%, 700% total.
Using skyliner 3 times vs using serpentine just once takes almost exactly the same amount of time.
Again, Skyliner attribute is much, much cheaper so that pulls skyliner incredibly far ahead.
Skyliner actually puts out more damage than Serpentine and Dragon Soar combined. Highlanderās crosscut is also a total of 1000% attack scaling or something great too with all the bleed ticks.
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You sure about everything? Looks amazing actually, I wasnāt aware. Thanks!
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This is not even remotely true.
Stabbing with spear lunge is 2100% damage scaling with a 25 second cooldown.
It will be 3500% with spear lunge and serpentine(which has the double melee damage debuff)
Pierce with spear lunge is 450% damage scaling with a 30 second cooldown.
It will be 750% with spear lunge and serpentine.
This is a total of 4,250% damage scaling from the kit.
Highlander c2 has 4900% damage scaling from itās kit without any debuffs and lower cooldowns to boot.
Barbarian C3 has 4,200% total scaling on itās kit without any debuffs, although 3000% of that is from a full channel of pouncing which has a horrendously long cooldown (barbarian is terrible DPS)
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