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Youāre right. Itās much worse for hoplite than it sounds. Builds without hoplite donāt have to basic attack for only 3k as much since they have more skills to use. If you had even helm chopper level 1 with maxed enhance for example it would do a total of 12k if you can basic attack for 3k.
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Spear throw is not DPS. It has a long execution time and delay.
afaik itās still worse than basic attacking.
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like i said do not neglect shield, it is really good later on, pelt as well.
the reality is, highlander2 like the other guy is saying without doubt is a solid choice for builds with swords, but for spear that is main dragonc2 there is simple not enough slot to have everything and is best to focus in the whole picture and i will say it again a good magas spear with karacha or later on a ledas shield for example it would do more damage than 2handspear in medium-small mobs because the dragoon attributes only work in bosses and large ones, and a good brandish with karacha will also put a good fight against bosses because of all it stats, it is simple one hand spear is alot better than 2hand in status but it will also be a lot more expensive, the only situation where 2hand spear really wins in damage it is against large mobs that is not boss because the bonus damage would be 20% and of course in PVP because we do not have the stats effect.
now about highlander; highlander start to be good you would need 2 rank, and in the build there is no space for that unless you sacrifice a lot more than it would ever offer.
now carta stroke: like he said really have huge numbers but the reality is different first: he is not counting the bonus from spear lunge to start that is flat 60% bonus i believe, not even the channeling speed for cartar stroke, that is 0,5 sec per lvl, it seems low at first but 1,5 sec you could unleash 2 dragoon skills.
i will not even enter in the details from skyliner and so on, because if you really took 2 ranks of highlander it would kill the dragoonbuild .
since you would sacrifice what? doppel1? or barb slash debuff? and of course petal, once we take everything in account the only real rank that you could afford to lose it is petal, any of the other would give far less damage that what you would have choosing highlander2.
about the highlander debuff it is 8 sec , and it is good but it is definite not worth swapping weapon every time for it because dragon2 is not shinobi, dragon2 is main DPS damage not a burst damage like shinobi,so it becomes irrelevant if you have to swap every time in your rotation it would make you go crazy and really bored and letās not forget the need for a direct hit from the boss, it seems easy but once you go ET or WB, waiting the boss to hit you it will be simple too long, and in WB i can say to you that it will make you loose the cube without doubt.
the true reality is very simple WE CAN NOT HAVE EVERYTHING, numbers alone does not make the character, it is called theorycrafting for a reason, if you want go for highlander i would say to go for doppel simple as that.
the numbers is nice but now when iām writing this post, i have seen that many players like ārazm2888ā have already wrote many of numbers i was going to write here to show why highlander is bad choice for dragoon, so i will just end this here ,check razm288 posts that he already have told the numbers.
is simple as he had wrote, highlander without doubt is a lot better but he is mainly for a āno-spearā build, so trying to force him in spear build it wonāt work, because spear build right now is by far the strongest alone because of what it offers.
to finish with 100 con and shield with petal you will be able to tank 99,99% of all current content, letās not forget that tanking is not the same as luring.
it is not bad, is just that to make it work it would need geras spear, and right now with barb 50% slash bonus, it is become a lot better to take barb1 to use with cyclone and dragon soar and so on. but hop3 it is still a perfect choice to go as well
I did count spear lunge. Itās 50% btw, not 60.
Also cartar stroke cast time is irrelevant as itās best DPS at level 1 so you never have to worry about cast time increasing. Charging it to level 1 is faster startup than a lot of other swordsman moves.
You can have everything, and atm an ideal dragoon build for damage given the info we have about dragoon c2ās 10s 100% melee debuff does not include hoplite.
C1 Peltasta -> hoplite is great for 1h spear + shield if youāre going to actually have a shield equipped since the block value is great, but weāre talking about doing damage with 2h spears.
i donāt see why Highlander canāt par to Hoplite with dragon build
the only thing that benefit from Hoplite is finestra
Spear lunge only 5s debuff 2overheat with 24cd
itās debuff only fit for 2-3 skills
Spear lunge > pierce, maybe can 1 skill again here
Spear lunge > stabbing ( debuff will gone as stabbing stop )
While Cross guard is 0 CD you can buff all your dragon skills
also itās hit twice which mean get more damage from Concentrate & blessing ( need Confirmation ) and cross guard damage modifier bigger than spear lunge
On Boss Skull swing far powerfull than crit rate
as you can see Mirtis def is 743
and HL can ignore all of this and boost your attack
World boss Mirtis as i link above only have 86 spr mean 86block penetration or 137 str ( since str now block penetration )
While Cross guard 15 at level 280 (600 + 280 x 3 + 675 ) = 2115 block
itās a perfect block i think ? the boss canāt even hit HL with this cross guard
also anyone know how evasion rate chance and block chance formula
is that the same with crit rate formula ?
iām thinking for raise dex for crit rate but afraid too many dodge so canāt use my cross guard for pierce debuff
Iām making HL > shinobi
Only swordsmen get block penetration from STR
No every class get block penetration from STRā¦
The formula for evasion rate is on tos mechanics pdf. You can search around reddit resources about that.
The formula between block pen and block is still unknown but itās kinda similar to evasion and accuracy.
Hey guys, wich build is better?
Pelt1-hop2-barb1-doppel1-dragon2
Or
Hl1-barb3-doppel3??
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spear lunge is 100% damage amplified if u add to lvl 10 ā¦ and cant be resisted by mobsā¦
[All classes]
[General]
-Block penetration will now increase based on STR stats.
-Continuous-type skills used when equipped with a Toy Hammer will no longer continue to deal ten times the damage.
-You will no longer get status ailments while in a state of invincibility.
Congratulations, you played yourself.
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No I said NO, every class get block penetration from STR. Just didnāt put the comma holy ā ā ā ā .
You seriously need to get glasses, and look at what Iām replying at. itās called context. Iām helping him correct his mistake.
fatedhour is right. razm2888 and I were wrong.
On a related note razm2888 is an enormous douchebag and lacks basic reading comprehension skills.
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I donāt know why heās so angryā¦even if I made a typo or something which I didnātā¦It actually makes perfect sense given the context even without the comma.
I guess he pwnād himself though! Cuz his comment perfectly applies to himself.
Hereās the context:
Have you tested by yourself ?
so because curiosity i tested Highlander Cross guard
People say itās 60%-100% damage increase with pierce attack
When i tested itās not random but fix at 100% & CAN be resisted ( I use level 1 Cross guard )
Tested to Rodelin With level 1 Cross Guard & Level 1 Thrust
I looking for plate mobs cause itās not make any damage modifier to Pierce attack
I unequip all my weapon & equipment
My attack 201-201
Rodelin Def 45
Auto attack Damage 156
Thrust level 1 damage +56 = 212
With cross guard debuff = 424 Confirmed
People tend to think itās 60%-100% because the damage show up not 212 & 212 ( hit twice ), damage pops up is random but total damage is always 424.
Since itās hit twice i tested again with concentrate, too bad concentrate not proc twice, itās only proc 1 ( fake multi hit )