Tree of Savior Forum

Regional Prices

General Discussion
#1

Lurking the forums and I have noticed that people are very upset because of the price increase in other Regions, while people from EU and NA only see it fit that everyone should pay the same amount they are paying to get the same stuff.

Now let’s look at each Regions argument and perspective.

EU and NA -
The argument is simple, everyone should pay the same amount we are paying for the same things we are getting. Very logical argument. Why would other Regions get special treatment, right?

Before we take a look at other Region’s argument let me clear things up first.
I’m not gonna use 3rd world country here since most people don’t even know what that means. 3rd world country != poor country, it means “The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO, or the Communist Bloc. The United States, Western European nations and their allies represented the First World, while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and their allies represented the Second World.” quoted from Wikipedia.

Other Regions argument-
This is a bit complicated and you would actually need economic understanding before you can make sense of it. But let me try and explain it to you in their perspective, 1$ in US != 1$ for other regions specially in SEA(I’m not talking about currency and stuff).

1 USD for a person living in EU and NA does not have the same value for someone living in SEA. Why? Because 1$ is way way easier to earn if you live in EU and NA regions, that is simply a fact. This also explains why there are ■■■■ tons of people with ASEAN ethnicity working blue collar jobs in said Regions.

Hold on wait a moment, this does not mean that people from these countries need to think about their lives, because they are poor and couldn’t possibly eat 3x a day. Wrong, they live perfectly normal lives for their country, they can eat 3x a day, go to beaches, play online games, can afford to pay bills and such, you might ask what’s the problem then? The problem is the cost of living in SEA region is way cheaper than the cost of living in US/EU, that being said wages are also way lower. An average office guy from Philippines would earn probably 15$ a DAY - this is considered middle class wage in that country, an average office guy in EU/NA would earn 20+$ per HOUR.

A guy living in the Philippines could take himself and his girlfriend to a cinema, eat in a nice restaurant and get a decent motel for le sexy after the date. all of that for probably 50$. You could probably get a 1 time download of HD porn with 50$ in US/EU. Why would an average guy from the Philippines spend 50$ for a game if he can do ■■■■ loads of things with that money, and he probably worked for 24 working hours or 3 working days to earn that 50$ compared to someone in EU/NA who probably worked for 2 hours.

Conclusion

None of you guys and gals are wrong with your arguments, but try to understand each other’s perspective.

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#2

Wikipedia:

Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed-upon definition of the Third World.[1] Some countries in the Communist Bloc,
such as Cuba, were often regarded as “Third World”. Because many Third
World countries were extremely poor, and non-industrialized, it became a
stereotype to refer to poor countries as “third world countries”, yet the “Third World” term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries like Brazil, Russia, India and China (see also: BRIC).
Historically, some European countries were part of the non-aligned
movement and a few were and are very prosperous, including Austria, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland.
Over the last few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the term Third World has been used interchangeably with the least developed countries, the Global South, and developing countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development,

And we’re all ‘young’ here, so we use the newest version of 3rd world country.

Another link, shows a few categories of 3rd world countries such as:

  1. Third World Countries in terms of Political Rights and Civil Liberties.
  2. Third World Countries in terms of their Gross National Income (GNI)
  3. Third World Countries in Terms of their Human Development
  4. Third World Countries in Terms of Poverty
  5. Third World Countries in Terms of Press Freedom

and actually said:

Today the term is often used to describe the
developing countries of Africa, Asia, Latin America and Oceania.
Many poorer nations adopted the term to describe themselves.

So yea, 3rd world countries are what you say it is, but also what we think it is. It just a diffrence in what you learned in school, heard on the news and other influences.

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#3

I’d rather stick to the original definition. As there are countries listed as 3rd world which are actually quite rich, and have decent way of living. And I’d like to stay away from communist/capitalist/democrat debates for assuming all neutral countries are poor. But hey, that’s just me. :smiley: I apologize if you got offended when I said most people don’t know what “3rd world country” means.

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#5

“Less is more” -Gaben

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#6

Aren’t you omitting the main problem that is IMC point of view?

Their issue is that due to regional prices, some people abused this system (mainly RMT/bots) to get cheap accounts with tp/token. Although I’m pretty sure they aren’t from those countries.

Their solution was simple (lazy as usual?), no more regional prices, no more abuse possible. Although IMO they will lose lot of popularity in some countries. (since lot of people prefer to eat than buy a ToS pack even if they want to…)

In the end, I think they should have tackled the problem to the source instead. That is Steam/IMC account creation that is lacking in security checks. They could have add some identity check, unique CB, mobile phone check, captcha on account creations (linked with IMC account).
Sure it’s going to be more of a hassle to create an account, but I think it’s a small nuisance for a candid player and a big wall block for wrongdoers.

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#7

its a game, not a necessity
why would you even compare the two?

im from asia, i dont earn much, but i dont have a problem with the current pricing, with and without discounts~

why? because its just a game, take it or leave it, it really doesnt affect your way of living~

not if you prioritize this game over your food! thats another issue~

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the only issue i got with the IMC is the abrupt and sudden change of the pricing.

i coulda buy an extra dlc2/dlc3 with that, and would also get the new packs~

but then, theres hope in the return of regional pricing once we get to transfer to SEA~

Thanks IMC

#8

I’m not arguing about necessity prioritization here. My point on their perspective is why would they spend that money on a game if they can get more out of it. It’s like this, let’s just say you’re me and we have the same preference; What will I choose? Go to an Island Hopping Outing with friends in some tropical island or buy an extra cool headgear, given both have the same cost. I’d go for the Tropical Island Outing for sure. This is why steam has Regional Pricing, because again 1$ has different value for different people. I could’ve explained it better, sorry but I think you missed my point.

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#9

Steam have mechanics of forbidding gift|trade of packs between the regions in place. You have just to ask. So, that can`t be the reason.

That was partially the reason I suggesterd a separate server for Eastern Europe, with adequate prices.

#10

Bots were back in less than 24 hours. IMC point of view is invalid.

#11

I know a bit about business, and this is actually true to some extent.

#12

Nope, they are back, but they must buy the 30$ pack instead of using only 5 bucks, so their point is valid.

It’s not because you fail to see the impact on your immediate surrounding that there is no impact.

#13

The price on silver went up a bit, number of bots grown, to compensate. So, what was the point, anyway? RMT is in place, bots are livier than ever, legal players suffered.

#14

Aren’t you just making things up? Please tell me how you’re measuring this.
For my part I feel like number of bots have decreased, and a lot.

#15

Because poor people dont exist in these regions right? Also, you kind of completely shoot your argument in the face by mentioning the EU.

Hint: There’s a lot of countries in the EU. With different economies.

Well thats a lot more then you do with 50$ here.

I would not mind this, but unfortunately for most this is definately not the reality. Earning 1000$ per week, or 4000$ per month sounds pretty sweet.

#16

Bare eyes. EU server, Klaipeda. The amount of bots before the banhammer. Just after banhammer there was a day of calmness, and the day after, 1-6 channel were filled with goldseller spammers. Maybe on highlevel locations something changed, but down here - everything worsened.

#17

To be honest, there’d be no problem with regional pricing and all players being together in the same servers also. That was until it was easily abused and used to the advantage of some really dishonest people.

You can always blame those people. Botters and brs. And then the idiots on forums who were spamming about supporting RMT due to the “price increase”. Funny irony, that third world education really is something.

#18

you keep citing that and still don’t understand what he was talking about.

#19

Because poor people dont exist in these regions right? Also, you kind of completely shoot your argument in the face by mentioning the EU.

Hint: There’s a lot of countries in the EU. With different economies.

I’m going by average here, I know that EU has lots of countries in it, that’s why it’s called a Region. Point doesn’t change that the average income and expenses of people living in EU are way higher than people living in SEA, does it?

I would not mind this, but unfortunately for most this is definately not the reality. Earning 1000$ per week, or 4000$ per month sounds pretty sweet.

It is sweet, now we’re somewhat on a similar perspective, now that you think it’s sweet earning 1000$ per week. Maybe earning 300$ per week for someone living in SEA region sounds sweet too, have you thought about it?

You just proved my point that 1$ does not have the same value for every person, how much more for each region and country. Again this doesn’t mean that people from those Regions are extremely poor. They probably aren’t, given they have the time to play Online Games, has internet connection, and can afford to pay the bills, they even have a computer.

That’s why steam has regional prices in the first place. I’m not siding with anyone here, I’m just trying to make you understand their point.

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#20

Well EU is still effected by regional pricing. We almost always have to pay more than NA. And economy varies wildly for example Germany & Greece.