Regional Prices

[gaming.proxy182]

I think you get the crux of the matter. Regional pricing is implemented because each region has different average income rate and expenses. I’m not disagreeing with you on that one.

[Adenosine]

This. I’d rather go to the movies 15 times than buy Founder’s Pack 1.

[gaming.proxy182]

Woah there mate, no need to attack a certain demographic. People who wants to cheat will always find a loophole. Even Guildwars 2 had botters, RMT’s and whatnot when it was P2P, and that was what 50$?

[mustafaarif]

Yes, they now have to pay 30$ instead of 5$. IMC hasn’t made it fair by making people from the other region paying 30$ though. Regional pricing works in the way that a person from region 1 pays 30$ and a person from region 2 pays a local currency, which when converted nominally equals 5$. But the real price that each of them pay is the same, meaning that. 30$ in region 1 is the cost of 1 Urban Outfitters sweatshirt and 5$(in local currency) is the price of 1 Urban Outfitters sweatshirt in region 2. Basically for each pack people from both regions were giving up 1 sweatshirt and that’s why it was fair.

Now people in region 2 used a bug to cheat, that bug was the weird payment system that allowed them to access a pack and then refund it etc. It had nothing to do with the prices. They were paying FAIR prices before. IMC’s so called fix, has just on a blanket basis made everyone from region 2 now have to pay 30$ which is like 6 sweatshirts from my earlier example.

Basically the previous situation: People cheated while paying a FAIR price, now IMC has made it more expensive for people to cheat. But also for 42312 honest players who did nothing wrong.

Edit: Don’t mean to single you out, just trying to explain something and your comment was easy to reply to.

[gaming.proxy182]

That analogy is perfect man, couldn’t have said it better.

[Moonspring]

Point doesn’t change that the average income and expenses of people living in EU are way higher than people living in SEA, does it?

It does change that some countries didnt get your heavy regional discount to begin with, even tho they have comparable (if not lower) wages. So you cant just say ‘‘EU’’ like that.

It is sweet, now we’re somewhat on a similar perspective, now that you think it’s sweet earning 1000$ per week. Maybe earning 300$ per week for someone living in SEA region sounds sweet too, have you thought about it?

Yeah, here’s a thought: perhaps a good amount of people do earn 300$ a week instead of more, in the EU and USA as well? And im talking main EU countries here.

It is sweet, now we’re somewhat on a similar perspective

Without knowing my personal situation, or me knowing yours, how can you claim this? Way I see it, your perspective is still quite a bit skewed.

You just proved my point that 1$ does not have the same value for every person,

Your point was your upset because you have to pay more. But ignore the fact that you had to pay way less then some others at the same time.

Again this doesn’t mean that people from those Regions are extremely poor. They probably aren’t, given they have the time to play Online Games, has internet connection, and can afford to pay the bills, they even have a computer.

Wow, too much sense. So why again this uproar?

That’s why steam has regional prices in the first place. I’m not siding with anyone here, I’m just trying to make you understand their point.

And this is the part, where you might be a bit off. Not every single place on earth has steam regional prices.

I’m just trying to make you understand their point.

And Im not sure if they have one. They are causing a huge uproar because they want to cheaply spend money on the game.

Why not just spend money, or dont? Ultimately you, me or anyone else doesnt have to invest a single currency unit into this game.
If you do want to, thats your choice.

Or to put it in more simple terms:

Wtf is all the uproar about when to comes to paying, when the game was going F2P in roughly a week. People are like the ones on Steam that complain the discounts arent high enough.

Greed, greed, greed. Is what I understand of this ‘point’.

This. I’d rather go to the movies 15 times than buy Founder’s Pack 1.

Then do that? You could still play the game as well, since you know; outside of the early access no money is required for that…

[Faile]

The bolero exploit is not the only problem though…
Anyone could create a steam account on region 2 with a VPN and exploit the cheapest regional prices. (pretty sure if I was a gold seller, I would do that for my 234892 bots account)

But of course I agree that they should have kept regional prices.
Like I said in my post, they were “lazy” and choose the bad solution.

A better way to handle that, should have been making the account creation more secure to avoid the current situation. Where gold sellers can just streamline/automatize the account creation process and spam bot accounts.

[mustafaarif]

Yes they treat all of the EU as the same. The solution though isn’t to now make SEA players be treated unfairly as well. If anything the solution should be that Steam should do regional pricing on a country level rather than a regional level. So if steam priced things differently in Germany and in Croatia based again on the differences in purchasing power that would be fairer.

Did you get screwed earlier ? Yes! Is the solution to screw other people too? I don’t think so.

That being said,the difference in terms of living between 1 rich EU country and 1 poor EU country while significant is still much smaller than say 1 rich EU country and 1 poor South Asian country for example.

[squalltemnov]

Then do that? You could still play the game as well, since you know; outside of the early access no money is required for that…

2 things.

1. Self-res stones.
2. Hat enchantment.

No, F2P players can`t play for “free”. Bots can.

[mustafaarif]

Ah okay, I didn’t know about that. That surely complicates things then, although that means that it wasn’t the players from Region 2 who were really profiting.

The real cheaters then were the people living in high wage regions, who used a VPN to buy cheaper packs (for them coz they were actually in a high wage region). And IMC solved that by penalizing people who really lived in poor regions. Which makes their solution ever worse than I thought before. WOW.

I understand regional pricing is going to come back though it limits players to playing on certain servers. But will the same founders pack be available on those servers :C Coz the founders pack is a deal in terms of TP + 1Stat Reset potion. Buying 100 TP later will be far more expensive for everyone than this founders pack. That’s my question Q__Q. Idk if I should pay uniform prices and buy the founders pack or wait for regional prices and then buy much lower amounts of TP (and not get the STAT POTION :C).

[gaming.proxy182]

1. I don’t know if you’re just trying to argue at this point. You can’t possibly expect me to list every single country and determine the average income of an individual living there for the sake of arguing, right?

2. It is also common knowledge that EU/NA regions have higher average income/expenses than SEA.

3. We have the same perspective because we both think that 1000$ income per week is sweet.

4. I’m not upset at all mate, I don’t even know how you arrived at that conclusion. My point is; there’s a considerable difference between the average income/expenses of an individual living in SEA and in EU or NA, thus they value 1$ differently depending on where they live. This is like basic economics, hell it’s even common sense, I don’t even know why we argue over this.

5. Because of the statement I mentioned in the main post, people from other region thinks the price is too much compared to their everyday expenses. Because again they have lower income/expenses.

A cheap thing for your average American guy is probably not cheap for your average Malaysian guy. They can pay bills, play online games etc. because the prices of those things are relative to where they live and in a sense relative to the average wage of that country.

They are upset because they already spent time and money on the game and are enjoying it. Try to imagine that with any of your current subscription, let’s say Netflix or whatever, sure you can just cancel the subscription and be done with it, but you’re lying if you say you wont get upset.

Why they post you might ask? People deal with being upset differently maybe it’s their way of venting out. What’s important is I answered your question. Plus people don’t do things without reason, no matter how stupid or random it may seem, seeing that there’s a lot of people doing the same thing means they have a common reason to do such thing. so assuming they don’t have one because they don’t share the same opinion as yours is just arrogant.

[quote=“forgotten_dreams, post:26, topic:208749”]
Why not just spend money, or dont? Ultimately you, me or anyone else doesnt have to invest a single currency unit into this game.
[/quote] This is like the argument of every white knight ever. They want to spend money, but they don’t think the prices are reasonable, it’s their right as a customer to voice their opinions. Come’on man, you’re better than this.

[PrinceMark]

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[Brobbulus]

I dont get why ppl are arguing about this so much. Sure, money is where the fun ends, but not offering regional prices anymore is a business decision by IMC. It’s their right to do it, and they have a good reason, because steam can not guarantee that the system gets abused via the use of VPNs. End of the story. I’m sure they would stick to regional pricing if they could - from a business point of view. Of course it’s not nice for those who get price increases now, but there is no alternative to it.

[gaming.proxy182]

When you do a business decision it’s usually profit related, profit and customers are basically the same thing. So business decisions and customer satisfaction are closely related.

You don’t have customers = you don’t earn ■■■■. People argue over this to let the “BUSINESS” know that they don’t fully agree with the decision, and it is important for you or anyone that is a customer to let the “BUSINESS” know that you are not okay with the decision.

It’s IMC’s right to do that, but it’s also a customer’s right to complain, it’s not a 1 way thing you know.

There are only 3 types of customer reaction for every business decision. Neutral, Happy, Angry. The last two types always bash each other. LOL

[Brobbulus]

profit and customers are basically the same thing.

Hate to break it to you, but the hard truth is, they’re not.

It’s IMC’s right to do that, but it’s also a customer’s right to complain

Right. However all those “IMC MUST CHANGE PRICES!!!11” are bullcrap. They can do whatever they want. It’s okay to cry, but nobody can enforce anything.

[gaming.proxy182]

Hate to break it to you, but the hard truth is, they’re not.

Maybe that’s an overstatement but they are two sides of the same coin.

Right. However all those “IMC MUST CHANGE PRICES!!!11” are bullcrap. They can do whatever they want. It’s okay to cry, but nobody can enforce anything.

What did you expect mate, this sort of crap happens every time. It happens even IRL specially in places like McDonalds and Walmart, it is worse because of the power granted by anonymity making you immune to embarassment and physical harm. LOL

[Sciguma]

A guy living in the Philippines could take himself and his girlfriend to a cinema, eat in a nice restaurant and get a decent motel for le sexy after the date. all of that for probably 50$.

In Germany a guy can invite a girl to the cinema, eat in a nice restaurant and then take her home for 50$.
Or skip all that unnecessary stuff, play TOS with her and prepare for le sexy after gaming for just 50$ in two DLC.