Real name of the game: Tree of no Swordsman

[Abel_Orihara]

Already tested. Its very funny that a skill that gives u +300 block or even +1000 block (like the Crossguard of Highlander) for a short period of time, cant defend u against a magic attack even if is only 100 of damage.

I tought this game was Tree of Monks, because I saw monks everywhere, for real, everybody want to be a monk, be a priest-monk, krivis-monk, or diev-monk: monks everywhere, and most part is only because the blast energy skill, is not even because they really like the philosophy or because other pvp qualities.

BUT if you see at the game mecanics itself, you see the game is everything to make the life of swordsman harder on PVP.

Wisards can defend theyselfs easilly from physical attacks, be with traps or shields, that NOT ONLY BLOCK your attack, as have the power to reflect the attack or cause you some effect, as freeze. Can attack from distance.
Then when you think Wisards have low HP, the game make the inverse, and they can have high HP. without lose too much on power.

Clerics have the Safe Zone, one of the few manner of defend magic (Yes, wisards are like “Gods” with the unblockable magic), and also have Heal. That’s ok. Except that a Right level Cleric not only is a support, but can make much more damage or trouble in a battle pvp just with safe zone and others skills of attack, than other swordsman types.
I have a Cleric too, I know how this works.

Archers: low hp, but high DPS. (Is what I see on dungeons, they are who die more, but who cause more damage without interruptions). Can easilly kill a swordsman since can attack from distance and cause Stun, cause bleeding and who knows what else. They can lock the target on you, or at least the direction, while you have trouble to be effective on hit with the skill.

You can say about corsair be usefull because the Chain, as a SUPPORT.
Cataph because the Empaler Skill to move the enemy to where you want, more or less support.
Or Dragoon that can throw the Spear very far to hit the enemy, and have to run to catch the spear again.
But I really need go to these classes to have some a little part on the battle? There is nothing swordsman can do besides use a Sage Walll Shield and run from magicians?
Because not even the Fencer with the most hight evasion can defend this at all.

On PVE the history is pretty different. As the cleric have much more trouble to earn exp, but I’m talking about PVP.

From where I see/saw in Tree of Savior:

Wisards: Gods.
Clerics/Archers types: Usefull Warriors.
Swordsman: Maybe Tank, but not against magic.

Nevermind. Even if Crossguard had ANY use, it just dont work when I need it (Yes, after some uses, when I press the key the character just dont use the skill). I think this can be my pc or is only the high ping. Well, so whatever.

Real name of the game:Tree of whiners

[Wazzamj]

30% to resist CC while sprinting is minimal, once your 70% to get caught procs you are doomed. They should buff Pain Barrier to be able to resist all CC, like it is now for KD, Kockback and stagger.

They buffed a long time ago the animations speed but it is not enough. They should be almost instant, to not let the target escape once you get close.

[Kascly]

If they put pain barrier to resist all CCs, wizards will cry because swordsman can one shot full con wiz with 1 hexen dropper unless they are buffed with stone skin.

[hoangsea91]

excuse me ? your hexen does over 23k hp ?
it sounds ridiculous

[hoangsea91]

you play wizard or cleric right ? lol

[Kascly]

60k my hexen dropper unless you have 0% in passives and a lv 75 weapon with 0 enhancements.

[Wazzamj]

A chance to resist all CC sounds fair, you have to think about the window when the buff is not active. Wizards can 100-0% with 0 int only with CC, and they have the longest CC in the game, 5 seconds freeze with an absurd chance, earthquake KD for 3 seconds, sleep which you can hit the enemy without awakening him.

CC in this game is totaly broke, that is why dispeller exists.

[hoangsea91]

can you making a vid and upload somewhere, never seen hexen can do that dmg even in kr server

[Kascly]

I will when in home.

[Kascly]

Thats why swordsman can’t do anything in pvp.

[japafit]

i totally agree with you
i noticed this when i lost a duel for an archer
i couldn’t do anything against his ccs
i’m sw1>pelt1>hop3>doppel1>dragoon

[fatedhour]

60k hexen is 15k in pvp. Reduced damage in pvp.

[fatedhour]

This build can be good in pvp if spear throw can home into target and have 100% bind chance and bind doesnt go away after a hit.

Hoplite 3 should be top tier pvp class with the right changes.

[Mmeee]

Yes, I dont care about ur shitty 2h builds… swordman 2h sucks for pvp and u shouldnt do it if u want pvp

[BlueByu]

pretty balanced IMO

every class can counted another class

Wizards are here to freeze everyone

clerics can kill the other classes fast except full con wizards, and stop the freezes

archers can kill every class in 1 shot, but clerics are there to make sure they dont
swordsmen/monks make sure to keep ranged people running, bcz if they dont, the melee will get to them and gg

( wizards are here to freeze the melee

clerics are here to stop the wizards

archers are here to 1 shot the clerics/all classes

melee are here to keep the archers running )

repeat

[wolfdoggie]

It’d help Swordsmen C1 learned Shield Guard instead of forcing everyone to use Peltasta.

[beto_ruizc]

Nor IMC is worried about the undeveloped PvP, why this is a topic?

[AnitaCafe]

Because both kToS Swordsmen and iToS Swordsmen have spoken up about it multiple times? Its lead to fixes on kToS and fixes in the works on iToS, same as PvP is in the works. There are lots of things that need fixing so we talk about it to get it done. If you want to talk about the need for PvP, there are multiple threads or start your own as many do.

Also, on topic, for every 1 person who doesn’t think Swordsmen need a fix (and these people usually do not play Swordsman classes, at least not above level 200+), there is about 10 who do. You should know what you’re talking about before you speak. There are also tons of threads on this subject, that go in depth as to why each class needs certain fixes, and general empowerment.

[enkae7317]

Exactly. All these people saying there’s nothing wrong with swordsman clearly has never played one or gotten high enough in levels to understand one.

If you even get to around level 120+ you can clearly see swordsman has issues. Go even higher to around 225+ and you can see that swordies are completely overshadowed by every other class in almost every aspect of the game.

The reason why there are so many complaints and threads about how underwhelming swordsman are is because that is the truth. Swordsman in this game are pure trash and I feel IMC did a horrible job of balancing each respective classes. However, they are slowly fixing and bringing it up to par with the other classes (as seen in kToS), so I’m guessing we just have to wait for the buffs.

[FlanFlan]

Replace Swordsman with Tauntsman and it is more accurate naming. IMC should be able to rename it too let’s go make a gameplay feedback suggestion that they rename Swordsman to Tauntsman so there’s no longer any confusion that Swordsman can be DPS.