[RANT] who tf told swordies to be dps?

[tonyostark]

someone deleted his post. where art thou oh great and wise master with a 280 sw 2 something something?

[Dogma]

where art thou oh great and wise master with a 280 sw 2 something something?

This, I gota see.

/fuckthistwentycharactershit.

[tonyostark]

nah it’s nothing. just some kid telling me to f*ck off since he got offended.

[deanleroy89692]

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[tonyostark]

nah. your dps is trash because you dont have level 10 gungho and level 10 concentrate

[deanleroy89692]

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[Meitner]

Lord knight build any 1 !? Lelelelel

[Lostac]

reminds me I saw someone who posted a lordknight build long ago promoting SW2, I didn’t comment on it because I thought it was a pvp build

[Meitner]

Its a public build, first one apearring in the dragoon build. So many ppl follow it and all its non sense. Makes me giggle everytime…

[PHpride]

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[Lostac]

okay I checked it,

seems like this is what confused readers

You don’t get more profits from Peltasta, almost all skills in there will be useless in the late game, the only skill that is usefull is “Provoke”. From the other side you don’t get “huge” advantage from buff level increase going Swordsman C2 but you do get Restrain that can be realy usefull in the late game, coz we have longest mele range. But it’s up to you what go for Rank 2, Peltasta C1 or Swordsman C2, but i use Swordsman C2.

He’s promoting Restrain instead of Pain Barrier, while the actual core of the build relies on pain barrier heavily.

Cyclone, Stabbing. hell even some dragoon skills if you plan on charging them.

then again sw2>hop3 builds are the ones that die on mineloader during my boss rush runs because they don’t want to move away and can’t block manually lol

But overall the build/guide has actual content(and isn’t pve restricted) so I guess people follow it…which eventually leads to…well, you know.

edit: lol i didn’t check the skills properly, dat 0 points on pierce and stabbing though

[haukinyau]

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[Kostik]

Hmm I mean, no one takes provocation attribute from swordsman 1? I’m able to hold aggro with that just fine… But then again there are archers that don’t do any good dps in dungeons as well.

And there are clerics that afk…

[igor_lavor]

Want a tank? Get your full CON Wizard or your Cleric to do it.

The reason why Swordsman are tanks is because of a few things that other classes don’t have:

1 - Provoke attribute, this attribute allows Swordsman to keep the aggro on mobs/bosses, when you don’t have a Swordsman on your team doing the right thing(which is to pull the aggro from the boss to him), the boss is just going to switch aggro between the Wizzies and Archers, i’ll go more in depth as to why Wizzies and Clerics aren’t/can’t tank in ToS.

Archers will constantly move around to dodge the bosses attack making both clerics and wizzies job much harder.

2 - Swordsman have 3x more basic HP

Really simple, in ToS you’re ging to be partied with randoms when doing Dunegons/Missions, you’re not going to meet a Full CON Wizzie every run, 99% of the time the Swordsmans are going to have more HP than the other party members.

3 - Swordsman are literally built to pull aggro and stay in front of the boss.

Clerics don’t have Pain Barrier and usually don’t have High DEX builds, when Safety Zone fades the Boss is just going to keep throwing them around or switching aggro to other DPS characters. Also i don’t think there are any Full CON Cleric builds out there.

While a few Wizzie builds do stack up on CON they still can’t tank properly, most of the times these Wizzies are just running up to 100 mobs and cast Snowballing, the problem is they can’t deal sufficient damage/ keep the aggro on all these monsters which causes other party members to pull the aggro instead.

Wizzies will also continue to be knocked down while fighting bosses, Wizzies don’t build DEX so they can’t just Dodge the attacks, circling the Boss isn’t a solution either because if you’re circling you aren’t dealing damage to the boss making your aggro much lower compared to Archers/other Wizzies.

Final note

I do believe Swordsman should ALWAYS take the role of Tanks when your party is lacking one, even if the said Swordsman doesn’t have Peltasta C1 in his build. The class is built to be in the front line, it’s the only class that can consistently keep Aggro on bosses and keep the Boss steady in one location for Archers/Wizzies to make full use of their skills.

[jordyrein]

for me, taking sw2 is like saying : “Hey I made kino2 for pvp, you asked why not kino3 ? why should I, I already have my magnetic force, why do I need raise and gravity pole ?”

[tonyostark]

it’s the same problem as the R3 > F3 people.

[tonyostark]

IMO, it’s also for the lack of having an assassin/thief class which is a staple in other MMO’s. More often than not, this kind of class heavily attracts the kind of players who brag about what they know without really knowing anything. they are the toxic players you encounter in-game and are thoes who can’t cooperate - the kind of players in games such as dota or LoL that picks a flashy class/hero with a high damage but dont know a thing about playing with others. just like our friend here @NotVau

[haukinyau]

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[fatedhour]

Except sw3 has double slash. And not gravity pole or raise.

U take sw2 or sw3 for pvp thats it.

[Lostac]

Another misconception why people don’t take peltasta.

They think it’s a taunt and block class.

you don’t even need to block physicals when they hit 1s on you lmao (yes this is inside 130 dungeon)